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Fence Trends & Installations: What Homeowners Want in 2025

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Homeowners are leveling up their properties with modern fence trends, and Mario Pezzatti from FenceRI.com is here to break it all down! From stylish wood aesthetics to high-durability vinyl and metal fencing, we explore the latest fencing solutions that homeowners are requesting in 2025.

Discover the best fence types for privacy, security, and curb appeal, plus expert insights on the installation process. What’s more cost-effective in the long run—wood, vinyl, or aluminum? How can you ensure your fence stands strong against weather and wear? Mario shares his firsthand experiences from the field, common mistakes to avoid, and what’s trending in fence designs today.

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Have seen pit bulls and rottweilers chew at the bottom of chain link fences and keep pushing and working it over time until they can make it enough where they can squeak. Once they get their head through, then they just swarm their bodies and they go on to the fence. The only customers that really pick wood are the customers that are adamant about an aesthetic because they're the most beautiful fencing systems that money can buy are built out of wood. You could just make. Gorgeous things happen with wood. Yeah. They just don't have the life expectancy in New England. Because some towns, like I was told, I spoke to a building inspector about a year ago in Cranston. He said they have an eight foot coat height, so you can create a fence up to eight foot high and anything over that. And secondly, once you depart from six feet high. You'll now enter the word custom and what that comes across in that. Welcome, everybody. I'm Camille Sargi, your host of Just Two Minutes. And today I have Mario here. Mario, you want to tell us about yourself? Sure. I own a small fence and deck installation business called FenceRI. com. We service obviously the state of Rhode Island. We reach into the border parts of Massachusetts and Connecticut as well. All right. Awesome. We're going to talk about fence and, you know, helping real estate agents know more about fencing. But first. This show is called Just Two Minutes, so I've got some random questions for you, and I have my timer, which is my watch. Today's a crazy windy day, so we're hanging in here. Good day for fences. Good day for fences. Or people calling up like, hey, this was installed by some random company. They'll all be on the ground laying flat by the end of the day today. Oh my gosh. Okay, I've got a timer, and go. Is it lumba or lumber? Lumbar. Lumbar. Then what is lumbar support and how do we use it when we're pondering? Say that again? Lumbar support? Oh, you're talking, so lumbar, see, because I'm in the trades, I think of two by fours and boards. I'm not thinking of the, you're talking lumbar, like for back and posture. Yeah. Or, I mean, either way. I don't know. That's, that's, that one's over my head, but I could tell you how to build something for Lombard 4. Okay. So speaking of building, if I were to build a bridge, would you trust your dog crossing it? Well, if the state of Rhode Island was building it, probably not. I'd have to pass on that. Okay. But what if I was building it? A bridge. Would you trust that your dog would do it? Well, if you were building it, I'd probably buy it from you. It's a small bridge. Yeah. Yeah. Over like any water under it. A little bit. Oh, that's safe. Then I'll let the dog cross. Okay. Would you walk over it? Hmm. When I walk over it, well, I can't swim, so I might be hesitant. Okay. What's a. Most memorable moment at your first job when you were a kid. I'm assuming you were a kid when you, uh, yep. Most memorable moment, I believe is when it was horrible. The, I was tasked to take, I was 15 years old. I was tasked to take American flag off of the pole. It was as windy as it is today. And it, the wind grabbed it and blew it onto Hofford Avenue. We're in the middle of traffic. Boom. That was, that was horrible. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. So you had to like run and. I was stopping traffic. I had people flipping out because the American flag hit the ground, you know? So this is long, I was 15 before I even joined the service. So I wasn't familiar with flag etiquette, not that it was done on purpose anyway. But I learned a lesson in patriotism that day. Yeah. Well, and you know, all the pressure and like, you know, you're a young kid experiencing the stress and like, yes, I got to fix this before in the heavy traffic. It was, it was crazy. All right. So let's talk about fence. So what common types of fences are there? I would say the first breakdown would be your material style. Wood, vinyl. Or metal chain link or aluminum. Then the second question is, what are you trying to achieve? You're looking for privacy or barrier or aesthetic or both. And that will help me dial in a start point. For what it is that you're looking for, for your application. Okay. Now with the final, like I'm imagining, like how high can you get with each of those? Most towns have a code at six feet high. Six feet is the highest standard for any city town. Most, I say most because some towns, like I was told, I spoke to build an inspector about a year ago and Cranston, and he said they have an eight foot code height. So you can. Create a fence up to eight foot high and anything over that you have to pull a permit or variance, et cetera. So it does change from town to town what they will allow. I mean, I get customers all the time that call me up and say, yeah, I want a 60 foot fence up. Cause I don't want to see my neighbors. You got to check with your local zoning first. And secondly, once you depart from six feet high, you now enter the word custom and what that comes across. And generally. Temperance them immediately. Wow. So what's the reasoning behind them limiting the towns limiting the sizes? There's a couple of things like the town over here in one socket. They are Well one socket's right over the line over here I've done a few quotes for them and some installations and they have to have the most vicious regulations as far as uh Permitting to do any kind of construction in that particular town and definitely the most strict Fencing regulations I've ever seen. So when installing in one socket, I had asked the building officials over there. Why is it so strict? Like what is the, what's the reason for you? We have to pull a permit or the customer has to pull a permit to install even a little fence in their backyard to get some privacy and the feedback I got, at least from this specific town, they were trying to avoid a hodgepodge of fortress like looks varying from neighbor to neighbor. So this. This person puts up a six foot fence and then it butts up against a different kind of six foot fence and you got wood and you got vinyl and you got steel and you got also they said that they are trying to change the aesthetic of the town by regulating the fence heights and where you can put them in your yard, et cetera. I know that when you do exceed. Six feet high with a fence, especially a solid privacy fence. You start getting into issues of torque with the wind. So when you get windy days like this, the longer that post is, easier it is to snap and fall over because I don't know if you have a I had to break a bolt on a, on a rat with a ratchet, put a pipe on the end of the ratchet and takes effortless. Yeah. Well, that's the same. You've got the same leverage as you go longer on these fence posts and take that times how many posts are on the line, the giant sails. Once the wind comes down, it goes, so when it could be a safety hazard when you're talking like wooden fence, 10 feet high. The wind takes it, snaps those poles. So B, I would say another reason that you get regulations. And then biggest one is you have to have some kind of uniformity because if you left people to their own devices from the calls that I've gotten over the years, people would go as tall as they could. So they bought out their neighbor completely. They'd build it over the roof of the house if they could. Why? I mean, to solve that, why wouldn't they just say? You know, case by case basis. Well, that's what a variance is for. That's so much work going in front of the town to explain why doesn't the building inspector say, Oh, all right. You want to build an eight foot just like the neighbor. So it looks good. And you're using the same material. All right, well, I'll prove this. Well, the building inspector's job is to check the work quality, make sure you follow code. He's not the town planner that decides what. You know, goes up and what doesn't go up in your town. So he wouldn't have the authority to make that kind of decision. Hence the town hall meeting. You get the variants. Now you get feedback from your neighbors. This is for an exception, I guess. If you had a junkyard, let's say, then you wanted to put up an eight foot fence. Obviously it would be helpful for the neighbors. You would assume everybody would be in agreement with that. But I wouldn't trust that decision to a. Building inspector, city planner, let the neighborhood weigh in and then go that route. Okay. Do you think the building inspector is worried to accept things and would rather than go to town to decide or? The building inspector, again, his focus is safety and codes. If it looks ugly, but it meets code. He's going to tell you, you know, meets code and he's going to prove it. His job is strictly to make sure that you have followed whatever parameters are set by the town. You know, you've created something to the code standard of their build. Anything outside of that scope is not his specialty. It's almost like different lawyers for different types of law. You're not going to take a lawyer that does automotive claims and then have, you know, negotiating border disputes, you know, with property. So it's a specialized, uh, field. So, and there's a lot of code for a buildings inspector to handle just for that portion of his job. And to add any more to that palette, I think would be overwhelming, especially for. Some of the inspectors I've crossed over the years. Okay. So six foot is standard. You would six foot as a standard height on a fences. And that's comes right from the manufacturer. So if you want something that exceeds that, it can absolutely be obtained. But now you go into custom because now they have to produce something or I have to build it from scratch to accommodate. You need, would you say over eight feet is custom over six feet. Definitely custom anything over six feet. So seven feet, six and a half feet. It's all custom doesn't exist. We have to build it from scratch. Okay. Okay. So metal PVC, some metal fences like chain link, because, you know, chain link is a commercial. Uh, fence, they will have standard heights of exceed six foot. We'll talk the majority of the general cases, which is wooden, vinyl and decorative and residential grade commercials, a whole different animal. Cause obviously, you know, I'll go by a facility and you'll see eight foot fence, barbed wire on top of that. That's designed specifically. There is a production run that creates stuff that height for those applications because it's a market. You've done that? I have done barbed wire commercial fencing. Yes. Wow. Okay. Let's talk more about compliance just to get that out of the way. Anything else as far as requirements that we might not know that we can Every town is completely different from the next. You would think that codes are standard, but they are not. It's an interpretation of a code. It's a kind of like law. If you go to this district and this district, the same trial that's being heard, we'll have two different outcomes based on how they interpret the law. The same thing happens. I, we find with inspections and towns. So for instance, we build a deck. In town a, they're going to focus on, you know, the way we put the ledger up against the house and our spans, and they're going to be stickler about how we fasten that ledger. And if I go to town B, I'm not too concerned about the ledger. They see that you, you know, they don't care about the pattern. They just see that you got to secure. But their stickler is we're going to focus on footings. We're going to make sure. So. Depending on what town you live in will depend on what it is that they're going to focus on, even for fencing when you're talking about code. So I tell all my customers, there are way too many towns and cities for me to keep up with. So when I do go to install for a customer in a particular town, I put the burden on them to just Make a quick call to town hall and ask, just ask, do I need a permit for this? And if they do, then we'll follow through and we'll do what we have to do for them. How about building too close to your neighbor? Again, town to town. It's like, I believe Cranston allows you, at least they used to allow you to build right. On the border, and I don't know if it's Providence, but I know there's other towns that you have to be set back, you know, 12 inches or foot. So your setbacks will vary from town to town. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? As far as compliance, have you ever ran into a situation where the town said? Take that off that has to be taken down or a violation. They have to take that down. One socket Absolutely, there we go. What's the situation like? So there's certain things that are rules that in the fence industry, for example, driveways and houses built on a corner of an intersection. When vehicles are involved, especially if you're backing up a driveway, if your neighbor's got a six foot fence all the way to the curb, And you're backing up your car and you can't see through that fence and somebody smacks you that neighbor with that fence could potentially be liable on a lawsuit because the codes, uh, specifically in most cases say that once the fence passes the front threshold of your property heading towards the street, it needs to wing down to a four foot high or less level for visibility reasons. If you're unfortunate enough to own a corner lot. You're never going to get a privacy fence approved to wrap the corner of your house because at that intersection, that fence becomes a blinding area for traffic going back and forth. Doesn't mean that you don't see them. That's again, that's a who did it with or without a permit. I don't know. Interesting. Yeah. That's the key thing you have to keep in mind when dealing with fence height. So Imagine the front of your property. Once you pass that threshold to the front of your property, it should go down to a four foot high backyard and have all the privacy you want. But in the front, you have to consider what's on the side of you and what's in the front of you. And if you have a neighbor to your side of you in the driveway, you can go down four foot high so they can see. Wow. Now I'm going through my database, like all these homes that I've seen. It all makes sense now, you know, why it's a design that way and why in corner lots or, you know, like they're very scrutinized, they're very strict with corner lots. Okay. All right. That's good to know. That's really good information for realtors. What's the trend now with fences? Well, because of metal prices and the instability of lumber prices over the last four years, vinyl seems to be championing the fence industry. Vinyl seems to be tethered to like petroleum prices. So when they flux, you'll see vinyl, I guess it's a petroleum product. Wood supply are imported. So they're tethered to Canada and harvest the trees. So I know we had a mill fire not too long ago and a couple of major mills, which shrunk the availability of wood materials right at the time of COVID happened. So wood product was virtually impossible to find. And then the steel industry. It affects your aluminum and your chain link. And again, some of that is imported as well. Vinyl has stepped up and become the go to. It's a one and done system. So once you put it up, in theory, you never have to do it again, especially if it's a good quality system. And I'm seeing the vinyl manufacturers now create Different wood patterns and things to break up the look of it because the number one complaint that with vinyl with those that don't like vinyl is they don't like the white plastic look of it. In some applications, it looks beautiful, nice, clean, modern house with white accents and the vinyl works. But if you go out to a beach town, it doesn't work so well. It screams, you know, artificial. So they have wood grain pattern, vinyl fences that mimic that. The look of wood and done a few of them out in places like carpentry and up in the woods out there and they're fantastic. They look great. And the best part is, you don't have to do it again. It's done. You don't have to worry about a rotten falling over. Your, your dog is safe. Your pool is safe. What color standard colors do they come in? So right now they used to be. Just white and then like a tan color and then gray kept coming in and out of the industry. But now they're doing, it looks like, literally it looks like wood fencing. It's like, you know, they, they pattern the knots and the greens and everything into the panel. You'll see it on the website. If you go to fenceri. com, there's some examples of it. We use a company called active yards, which recently got bought out. I'm not sure. I'm going to a meeting next week about the new company. Uh, acquired them. So they're about to get bigger. And if you go to active yards, I'm a dealer for them. And you'll see all the different color options, style options. It's quite amazing what you can do with the plastic. And you do that. Like when you go to someone's house, kind of like a floor. Sales, they bring in different types of flooring and they let people touch it. Do you do that too with the fence? Yeah, we have the same tiles and pallets that we can do. One of my best sales card is finding a customer nearby and saying, go check out this address and we'll see. But my vendor has some examples set up for display in house. So if they want to get eyes on the product and see it right up close, I can send them there too. But most customers that I get by the time they get to me, they've done their homework and then they're pretty, they already kind of know what they want to do. And my job is to just educate them on the pros and cons because I don't want to give them competition out there that will. Give you anything. I will tell you anything. I don't like callbacks. So I want my customer to know 100 percent this is what you're getting. This is what it can and cannot tolerate. And does this fit you need? If you say yes, we go forward. But if it doesn't just make sure we're clear. I usually put it in writing that this will not achieve this goal of yours. Do you think what kind of fence you think would bring up the value of the house? I think anything permanent, because again, when, uh, when people call me, what's permanent, how do you make it permanent? Well, if you get an aluminum fence, you get a chain link fence, you get a vinyl fence. You never have to change that the lifetime of the house, that's a one and done system. It's there forever. So the first thing you have to do is make a hundred percent sure that you are okay with how this product looks because you are going to be looking at it every day you live in this house. When you come home and you get out of your car, you're going to see this and you've got to love it. I like it. You got to love it. And so when customers call me up and they say, yeah, I'm looking for a cheap Fanta. The first thing I ask them is, is this your forever home? Is this where you plan on staying for the next 20 years? And if the answer is no to that, I'll give them, you know, Low grade options, you can get a wood fence or something, something that's going to show a life expectancy, if it's an investment property and they don't care, okay, I'll give them that option. But if they tell me, yes, this is, I'm going to be here as far as I can possibly, you know, live, then I tell them, I said, this is not like buying a pair of shoes. Like when you do this, you are going to be looking at this thing every day. You're going to be potentially using it every day if it has a gate or something like that. So you have to love this. And this is not. Cheap. It's an investment to your property. It's like, it's like installing a new kitchen. You know, you have to think about it. You have to really consider what it is that you want it to do and then understand that once it goes down is now a permanent structure. As an addition to your house, like if they said they were flipping the house, they just, they wanted to increase the price. They wanted like the top notch, really fancy. You'd go with the happens all the time. Our customers, they just want a quick wood fence because it looks nice and clean for the first year. It's up maybe two years by the third season, it starts to weather. So they'll get a low grade. Cedar option and put it up. Although the low grade Cedar options do tend to last pretty long too. The key is the defense post. If you put in a wooden post in new England, you can get as short as three years out of it. The way the moisture is in the ground. I want customers about it all the time. And a few customers in Warwick that I've done installs and went over it. They just didn't want to spend the extra few dollars and I explained it to them. So this is an addition to your home. If you're going to be here. This, and within four years, they called me up and said, four posts have rotted and snapped already. We should have done the metal. So it's not too late. So I had to go and take it all down. Whenever installing a fence, if it's short term, you can do your wood post, get away with it, and it'll look nice enough for you to sell your home. If you're going to be there Significant amount of time you want to go at a vinyl or a metal post that doesn't rot and then you can put wood on it and you'll get 30 years out of it. Okay. How would a homeowner maintain a wood? Fence. So a cedar fence is the same material as a cedar shingling on your house. So most people will, for their house anyway, they'll do some kind of transparent stain, sometimes a solid stain, whatever they choose. You could opt to do that with your fence, but I find that nobody Treats the events that you just put it up and then it just stays there. And if it's a nice cedar, it will silver into a gray look. And again, depending on where you live. So if you live out in the woods, then they, you know, silver finish when the weather is in after a season or two, it goes nice with the aesthetic of your property. You know, if you live in Providence. Maybe not so much. And I see a lot of customers, if they have the ambition to do it, they will paint their fences. And now it's like any other, you know, sustaining or painting. Do you think a lot will increase it or probably I will definitely increase the life expectancy of your friends. So you already got your, if you went with a metal post system and a wood panel and you didn't touch it, you're going to get 20, 30 years out of it. Um, if you put a wood post system in there, I don't care what you do it. I mean, you paint it or it's going to rot in the ground. It's going to snap. That post is coming down to some point. But as far as the wood material is considered, I always suggest if you're really going to do it, stick to the transparent stains. Because if you do paint it, even especially the decks, the decks is the. The biggest question I get, how do I maintain this deck? Whenever it's a wood product, go with a transparent stain, because if you go with a solid stain or a paint, you are going to be scraping and painting that surface every three years. So if you go nice, transparent, you know, kind of fades in or whatever. And then you can always restate it in a couple of years or whatever, but you don't want to be scraping paint in New England. Yeah. Okay. And that's some, that's maintaining, what if someone has a wood post that's there already, How do they increase the life for, from three years to a little PT is all we strongly suggest we use five inch PT posts. We don't use anything from the box stores. They just not designed for longevity. So we use five inch posts and we get customers that. Absolutely request cedar posts, but you cripple life expectancy. You were born from, if with a PT post, you can go from three to 30 years. It's a roll of the dice and whatever religion you pray to. And if the gods are in your favor, you'll get 30 years out of it. If you go with cedar, you get five, 10 years and I don't care where it's put. It's just, it just absorbs water and it rots. So cedar posts, I strongly suggest customers to avoid. The only customers that really pick wood are the customers that are adamant about an aesthetic because there is, they're the most beautiful fencing systems that money can buy are built out of wood. You could just make gorgeous things happen with wood. Yeah. They just don't have the life expectancy in New England. Texas be there forever, but here, the weather's too harsh, too much moisture. Wow, interesting. Okay. If a homeowner wants to hire a fence installer, what should they look for in a company? All contractors. I don't care what the industry is, including mine. Fence decks home building, whatever license and insurance and don't just take the license and be like, okay I see you have one. Oh, yeah, but sure. No do your homework Take the license Rhode Island has a free website You can go on the on the state website and you can verify That that license is active. And then the second question is, can you have your insurance company? Send me your insurance certificate and the insurance company that that contractor is with will have their company send you the credentials. Just don't take their word for it. Take it for them. What I find is that the customer, cause you hear stories from both sides, from the contractors and from the customers. And when you hear the horror stories from the customers, it's dollars to donuts, a customer that was looking at the bottom line price. So this guy's charging 7, 000 for this job, but this guy's going to do it for two and they don't check the license and insurance and they hire the contractor and it's subpar materials. It falls apart as soon as he leaves. Now that he's not returning your phone calls, you can't get in touch with them. So if you're going to do minimal. Homework, verify license, insurance, and of course, the third piece of this is just get references, have the contractor provide multiple references. The longer you've been in business, the longer, bigger your list of references are because we've got. Huge pull the pull from almost 20 years we've been doing this and not show me an example of something you did last week. Show me an example of something you did. Here's what this thing looks like, you know, 10 years from now. This is what you guys expect your friends to go look like. Yeah, and then What about factoring in pricing? How would you suggest for that? So nowadays, we're back to almost like covert COVID standards, where it's, uh, I literally when I send out the quote this morning on the quote, it'll say current market price. It's like selling fish. So it just. You know, I can't, I used to be able to lock in for 30 days, I could send a quote, it wouldn't get stale for about 30 days because I'd be fairly confident the material wouldn't change. But now we're back down to about five to 10 days on price stability because vendors have material and once they sold out of it, now they got to order and that stuff is still being imported. It's not being manufactured here just yet. So you have to deal with a price increase. If they're smart, they'll increase the price on the current. I have heard rumors that with their free, it's going to happen at domestic people are going to start gouging happened to Colvin. I remember, you know, getting deck supplies and deck materials was nightmare and decking suppliers were really taking advantage of the shortages, even if they have plentiful supply. So what about uneven terrain or a big giant tree? In the way it's funny. It's just, I was taking down the tree. It's interesting. You say that because I get customers that ask crazy things. Like for example, let's say this is somebody's yard and the yard has a cliff. I, this really happened. I had a customer that wanted me to fence like 15 feet over the into bags and there's nothing there. Like how am I supposed to, and they just couldn't comprehend. I mean, I had to walk away from that, but when it comes to trees, I don't know how some people think, or maybe they just wake up in the morning, have a coffee, look outside, say, I think I'm going to get a fence. And don't think ahead that there's giant rocks that are sometimes in the way. Trees are number one obstacle that we talk with customers and they're like the tree always is on the border of the property and it is on both sides. Neighbor and customer side, and they want us to go through it somehow. And I have to literally divert the question back to them. I say, explain to me how you would do it in this situation. In fact, take fencing away. I want you to put anything through this tree. Like, so you have to be ready to compromise at some point. There are ways to get around them. You know, you could box around it. You can move the fence line over. But. Some people are, they don't want to lose that space. My gosh, I've had customers argue, or I had this one customer, he was battling over, literally, it was three inches. It was a matter of three inches on the line. And I said, why are we doing this? If we just move this three. Inches, you know, and his answer was, well, once you give it up, you never get it back. What are you doing with it now? Like, but whatever, we will work with them the best we can, but there are circumstances where you just can't, you just can't, you got to move the obstacle or you have to have some kind of compromise. So if money wasn't an option, what would you do in some cases? I've been in that scenario. And in that scenario, we have built the fence. into the tree. Okay. I've done that again with a disclaimer. I have one customer. He just recently sold the house. He became a very good customer. He had this beautiful or any aluminum system was a huge, huge job. And in two spots, we built it. Into the fence with special adapters and he would call me every two years to adjust the fence because if you don't pay attention to trees constantly growing, if you don't pay attention to it, it will expand and it'll knock the whole line down. Yeah, so I was going there and we were measuring about inch to two inches of growth every two years. I'd have to cut back and shrink everything and put it all back together, but he, this particular customer. Knew it and stayed on it. Most customers won't. So I can build it. Money's no object, but it's gonna destroy a fence of five years when the street grows. Yeah. So, and then terrain, like you mentioned the cliff, I mean, aside from putting in a 20 foot post. To match up, we've done that in a step, you know, you have to run a long post and we, we've done creative things to go through and over terrain. I mean, it all depends on, you know, there has to be some reasonable expectation there to, um, there's usually three customers that I deal with when it comes to fencing. It's once privacy is basically putting up the fence because of neighbors. The other person is installing the fence because they have a swimming pool. And then my third customer, most popular customer, is they have a dog. And it's those, it's the pet owners, that we have the challenge with because they want the fence to look good, but then they don't want gaps underneath it either. And you can have land that looks as flat as a table. But when you start Installing, you'll find that there's a three foot difference from where you start on one end of the yard to the other end of the yard. So the fence has to change its angle because if it doesn't, if the fence stays perfectly straight, by the time you get to the end of the yard, there's a three foot discrepancy underneath the fence. So I've had customers again, sign the paperwork. And where we, they was so adamant about that straight line, that when we got to the end of the yard, there was almost a two foot deficit under the fence and they, they didn't care, they put mulch in, they filled it, they dealt with it. Um, so all depends. On the customer, when you get wild terrain like that, we do our best to keep a nice aesthetic flow. We want the top of the fence to look like saw teeth. We try to make the line slope and cut be very nice and uniform. And we'll inform the customers before we install because we have the experience to see where the deficits are going to be and let them know, look, you know, this is what it's going to look like. And you're going to have, there's a crater here because you see the ground goes up and comes. So we're going to go straight and Uh, create a here and you're going to pull here. So prepare for call your landscaper or do whatever the after we install this, you're going to have to come up with some kind of fill and we haven't had any problems over the years. So once again, it's all customer education. This is, this is the extra steps that we take to make sure that our customer is a hundred percent satisfied before we even break ground. They're all animals and they don't, some dogs are good, polite. They won't go sneak under the, or dig and sneak under the fence. What's a solution for those animals that are like, one of the first questions I ask customers with pets is what's his temperament because I've had them go over six footers, like they'll jump, German Shepherds will get a running start. I've witnessed it in Huskies. I see running start and we'll jump on that middle rail. And they'll use them to go over. They can't come back the other way, but they don't care. And then they're born free. Wow. So huskies and shepherds. And usually the deterrent for those dogs is privacy. If they can't see what's on the other side, they usually don't. They don't go. Yeah. So if you've got a dog, like some of the species that we've dealt with that are aggressive are, I believe we had, it's pit bulls. They're low to the ground. And I've seen beagles too, which the least aggressive dog, they diggers and they go under. What we do is we, for chain link, we add what's called a bottom rail. It's more of an expense because it's more material labor, but your dog won't push through it. I have seen. Uh, pit bulls and rottweilers chew at the bottom of chain link fences and keep pushing and working it over time until they can make it enough where they could squeak. Once they get their head through, then they just swarm their bodies and they go on the defense. There's. Paver stones, you can line a nice solution is a lumber school, go get nice four by fours and create a mulch bed there. Something that the dog can't punch through. Yeah. Wow. So we talked about making sure you have a good contractor was like licensed and insured. What about. Warranties do, is that something that's offered or? So depending on the product. So again, speaking about wood, wood on wood systems, there are no guarantees. It is as is system. We put it in and if it changes by the time we finish the other end of the fence, it is what it is. You own it. We cannot predict what wood will do in the elements, warping, checking, which is the wood splitting or rot over time. Even gate sags, you know, because gates on this big wooden posts and with the moisture and everything kind of expanding traction, the gates will sag and just, however, active yards company that we deal with when it comes to vinyl and the aluminum, they. Or for a, what they call limited lifetime warranty. And what that means is basically that fence is guaranteed against fading, warping, rotting, all that kind of, so it's not the limited part. It was not guaranteed for, it's not guaranteed with a tree falling on it or, you know, your neighbor backing into it, but there are one and done systems is what I like to call them. They come with lifetime warranties on the material. And then me as a contractor, we give them a one year warranty on the installation, because if anything that we did is going to fail, you'll know within the first two months to give them any recommended maintenance. I mean, besides the, we talked about the word, but metal or PVC, any recommended That's the beauty of those systems. It, you don't have to ever worry about it. You install it and it's done and just forget it's there. And then hopefully it either blends into the background if that's the goal, or it just becomes another nice exterior aesthetic of your home. And sometimes with the metal. Fence people grow vines and hope that yeah. So yeah, so that's again, that'd be, I would think that'd be common sense. It's like having a shed or a house. If it's close to vegetation, how much of it do you want to take over your house and your shingles grow into your windows? So same thing with the fence. If it's near trees and vegetation, you might want to train the vegetation. So it doesn't put pressure on your fence system. The only, actually, while we're talking about this, I guess, vinyl, the only thing that. People have ever mentioned about vinyl, which I do see is the growth of mold. So you'll get like a mold growth with the vinyl system. Get any citrus based cleaner and you get a pump sprayer and you just shoot it with that cleaner. And then you can take a mop handle on a garden hose and Wipe it done. It's like it was the day we installed it. Okay. Power wash. No, never use a power washer for decks or fencing. No, no power washing. Okay. I've seen, especially in the decks. Oh yeah. We put it on the light fan and all that and it just, it furs the decking boards, shoves the moisture into it, gets behind the ledger and it just causes havoc, especially if they do it the end of the season that freezes. And I started pushing the nails apart and the board stopped popping, just don't do it. So best thing for that is, I mean, you said the citrus. Any citrus base, you know, environmental friendly, I'll tell you, we use water. We literally, I take a bucket of water and a sponge and I just hit it and then I rinse it. Done. I just, nothing wants to stick. So any growth that happens on it, because we've had material sitting on site and pallet, you know, and it'd be there for a few months before we could get to it. And then by the time in the summertime, by the time you get to it, the end of August, you know, there's critters living in there and everything we've got to evict. Take the stuff up and wash it with a sponge, put it up and it's clearing like the day we bought it. Awesome. What about metal? Metal fence, like the black chain link systems have a vinyl coating, so it's essentially vinyl anyway. And the aluminum systems. They fade somewhat over time that I do see, but not to the point where it's going to be glaring unless you have a repair and then you'll see a nice shiny panel. But the aluminum systems are space picket systems and the whole design of the aluminum system is to not become invisible. So your eye doesn't catch it. So when people pick the aluminum systems, they have beautiful ornate systems that go around the yard, but they keep their view. I saw a lot of those by the water and in the woods, people that got. You know, tracks of land that they like to say. So as far as the fading is concerned, negligible. What about wood fence? How do they clean it? You don't. Wood fence, if you just let it do, it's either gonna stain it every so many years, if you're inclined to do that. And to stain it, you just rinse it with water or just Anytime you're dealing with wood, even if you're painting, sand, use sander. Okay. Even decks, if you want to paint or stain, you do a quick sand, it's work. It's work. It's not easy. Unless you go vinyl and metal. Then it's easy. Have we missed anything? I don't think so. That's it. We're probably saved. You've asked some great questions about the fencing. Decks are another. Big part of what we do seems to do a majority of decks that we do are always swimming pools around. So we're constantly building decks around people's new swimming pools. And it goes hand in hand because if you put in a swimming pool, you have to have fence. It's code. So we generally will build the deck and then fence off the yard. And that's what we do. Nice. So Mario, how do people find you? FenceRI. com. So remember, not R. I. Fence, FenceRI. com. Awesome, awesome, yeah. Thank you very much for stopping by. It was my pleasure. 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