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28-Tech Insights: Protecting Real Estate Agents with IT Security

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Real estate agents rely on technology every day, but are you aware of the hidden dangers that come with it? Nate Daniels from The Computer Specialists shares essential IT security tips to safeguard your email, transactions, and online activity. Learn about the risks of free email services, the importance of encrypted communications, the role of VPNs for secure connections, and the dangers of phishing scams. Discover how to protect your business from hackers, secure sensitive client information, and use the best tools for malware and antivirus protection. Don’t miss this essential guide for tech-savvy real estate professionals. 

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Kamil Sarji:

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Welcome everybody, I am Kamil Sarji, your host of Just Two Minutes, and today I have Nate. Nate, you want to tell us about yourself?

Nate Daniels:

Sure. Obviously my name is Nate, and the name of my company is The Computer Specialists. And I'm on a taunton. Massachusetts, actually.

Kamil Sarji:

Awesome. Yeah. Thank you very much for stopping by. So I'm going to ask you a bunch of random questions for just two minutes. And I have my timer over here. One, two, three. So if computers could dream, what do you think they're, they're dreaming about? Freedom. Freedom. Damn. Um, have you ever been so angry? Like, People get angry at the driving. I've been so angry at a technology. And if so, like, what did you do to it? I smashed it.

Nate Daniels:

What,

Kamil Sarji:

what did

Nate Daniels:

you tell me the situation? So it was an older, it was an older laptop, one that I used for the longest time, and it was having a lot of issues because it was old and I needed to do a ton of work to it. And one day I just had it. And it wouldn't cooperate. So I took it, slammed it on the floor and then threw it into the fire pit.

Kamil Sarji:

Wow. Okay. Don't mess with you. They should know that the others looked at you. They're like, yeah, don't, don't mess with them. It was

Nate Daniels:

not a tech solution.

Kamil Sarji:

If you were to choose these two scenarios, all right. High speed wifi that works anywhere for only 30 minutes a day. Or a computer that never crashes, but as slow as dial up, like AOL dial up. So these two scenarios, which one would you choose?

Nate Daniels:

The wifi for 30 minutes a day.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah. You think you can get everything done in 30 minutes that you need to? I could

Nate Daniels:

get

Kamil Sarji:

a

Nate Daniels:

lot

Kamil Sarji:

done

Nate Daniels:

and I wouldn't be frustrated.

Kamil Sarji:

If you could download a whole website into your brain, what would that website be? Wikipedia. Wikipedia. Okay, cool. I would have said YouTube. That is actually a good one too. Um, if you could talk to tech, like people, what would you tell your phone? If I could talk to,

Nate Daniels:

I don't know,

Kamil Sarji:

um,

Nate Daniels:

to not bother me. How about your laptop? Do it for me.

Kamil Sarji:

Oh, we just reached the two minute. You think one day we'll be able to talk to technology?

Nate Daniels:

Uh, I think we already can. Yeah. I think that day is already here. I just, I worry about what it learns from me.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah. But it's not telling you that it's learning. Right, exactly. So Nate, I'm very excited again to have you here. And from a real estate or a realtor perspective. Technology is very important to us. We use it all the time, but specifically what I want to talk about today is IT security. And a lot of people fall into the trap where they given away their login information. So how I'd like to structure this, these questions is, uh, and it's conversational. So let's start with email, right? So what are things? that Realtors could get in trouble as far as email and security, IT security. They

Nate Daniels:

should not be using free services like Gmail, Yahoo, any of the free ones that are out there. They should stay away from, um, go more with a paid subscription. It doesn't matter where as long as the provider is offering like advanced email security. So that way each message is scanned before it's received and each message is scanned before it's sent. Um, and if you're sending sensitive information that you shouldn't, it can even remind you of that and say, are you sure you want to send this? So what are they sending or

Kamil Sarji:

receiving that could be?

Nate Daniels:

Usernames, passwords, credit card numbers. I've seen a whole ton of times. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people put their credit card information

Kamil Sarji:

in an email. That's what they should be watching off from as far as checking, checking the email or sending out emails, sending out for the security of their clients.

Nate Daniels:

Correct.

Kamil Sarji:

They don't want to send

Nate Daniels:

personal information.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah.

Nate Daniels:

Highly sensitive information should not be sent in the email unless the email is encrypted.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah. Sometimes like, I mean, we do proof of funds that we send out to, uh, other realtors, but we black out account number. Right. So nobody can see that. As far as like receiving attachments, what are things that. Hackers are doing to try to infiltrate, uh, someone's

Nate Daniels:

account. Um, one of the biggest ones I see is shipping notifications, whether it's from the United States postal service, FedEx, they're spoofed accounts with an attachment that says, Oh, we couldn't deliver you a package, uh, details are in the attachment or something like that to get somebody to open the attachment so they can try to see what kind of package was going to be delivered. That's what I see often.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay. So what are they sending? What kind of file is it? Like what's so

Nate Daniels:

bad

Kamil Sarji:

about it?

Nate Daniels:

So it's an HTML file. So it looks harmless if you just look, glance at it, but the code that's in there, we'll bring them out to a website that'll cause a Trojan to get downloaded into the computer, and then it sets a timer and deploys itself to either steal information or to mine the network for more computers that it can put itself on. If you don't have advanced protection on your network that can detect those sorts of things.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay.

Nate Daniels:

Even too. So that's a whole nother. It's not just email, there's a whole other layer to it. So that way, even if somebody does accidentally click on something like that, you have other fail safes that will catch it.

Kamil Sarji:

So I've seen that with email, and I've also seen it in text. They were sending text messages about Texting is the new way for scammers. So you click on that link, and it will bring you to a site that downloads Uh, a virus that goes into your network and gives other computers the virus in your network. Correct. Correct.

Nate Daniels:

Okay. And not only that, it'll steal whatever information it can steal out of your phone.

Kamil Sarji:

So how to prevent that from happening, besides educating? People are not to click on those links, right?

Nate Daniels:

That's number one. You always educate. If you don't know what it is, you don't recognize it. Don't click on it. And I tell, I tell my clients all the time, if you have something that you have a question about, don't open it, send it to me. Let me look at it for the message. I gladly receive virus messages often voluntarily. Um, but outside of that, it is, um, important to have good malware protection on a computer, especially if that computer is portable and goes on the road. And connects to different networks. That piece is critical. Um, inside your home office, you should have a system in place that is always looking at the information that's being transferred on the network. Um, there's certain hardware providers that I use that have this capability to isolate. If it notices something that's not right, it notices a piece of a file that may not be proper, it can actually isolate that machine for the rest of the network.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay, so this is kind of like the router that's put into the, on the network to watch traffic going in and out and making sure nothing is going out. That shouldn't be going out and nothing's coming in that shouldn't be coming in. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. Those, those types of

Nate Daniels:

solutions are expensive or hard. Um, not, they don't have to be expensive. There is some investment, and I'm unlike a router like that for a business, you know, looking at between three and $400. So not a huge investment.

Kamil Sarji:

Mm-Hmm.

Nate Daniels:

A lot of times I see businesses try to run off of the ISP, the internet service provider router, which I don't recommend at all. It's one thing to keep it in place to use as a modem, as the gateway, the access point to the internet, but they don't really have a ton of security features in those to do that kind of level of protection.

Kamil Sarji:

So if you had that type of router or setup in your house or your office, And by mistake, you did click on those links, what would happen?

Nate Daniels:

Two things will happen. So the, whoever the manager is of that router, whether it's me or someone else will also get an alert saying, Hey, we found a problem and it will identify the machine, what it was, and it'll say, Hey, we sandboxed it or we isolated it

Kamil Sarji:

or,

Nate Daniels:

but it will have it there for your review.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay. Any other ways that. Hackers are sending you files or links for you to click on to download virus in

Nate Daniels:

all

Kamil Sarji:

kinds

Nate Daniels:

of ways. I hate to say it, but the elderly falls prey to these things more often than not. Somebody can call them like a phone call and say, Hey, there's a problem with your computer and don't. Just say, Oh, you have a Windows computer and they probably do. And they're like, Oh, you're, you've got a virus in there. We need to fix this before it becomes a problem. The next thing you know, they're giving them access to a computer to get financial information. They'll even ask for a credit card number. You give them the credit card number. They'll charge you just under 500 because there's a threshold there. I think federally for it to be like a federal crime, it has to be above 500.

Kamil Sarji:

Wow. Yeah. So they know the rules and how to get around it.

Nate Daniels:

And then they won't notice that charge for a while, and usually by the time they figure it out, that somebody accesses the computer, that shouldn't, it's too late. It could be at like 120 days later, they'll notice this charge or. They'll call me and I'm looking, this is, they'll become a new client at this point. And I'm looking, I'm like, Hey, they charged you for this. Can you call your bank and see if they can do anything about it? But because of the amount of time the banks can't even reverse the charges. Wow. So they know that. So they get to keep that money too.

Kamil Sarji:

What are ways, uh, to protect your email, uh, from hackers?

Nate Daniels:

Um, again, good virus protection, good malware protection, a good program will scan each and every email as it goes in and out of the computer. Um, doesn't even have to be network level. That's, that's why there's certain, so many layers of protection you should have and you should have them all.

Kamil Sarji:

As far as like login, if someone stole your login.

Nate Daniels:

Somebody steals your login. My recommendation on that is if you are in the habit of putting your login. outside of the network often has changed a password frequently, like every 28 to 30 days. Um, now of course, if I am managing an account like that, where security is utmost important, um, I can even create policies that will force a password change every 30 days. Some

Kamil Sarji:

people get. When you try to log in, they get the text to enter the code in or the email with the code. Uh, are those good ways to The two

Nate Daniels:

factor authentication is very good. Um, however, no one should ever be asking you for that code.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay.

Nate Daniels:

Um, there's some Facebook scams going around where Somebody, whether you might be trying to purchase something on marketplace and they say, Oh, we're going to send a code to your phone for authentication. What they're really trying to do is get into your account. And once they get that code, Oh, we need this code to authenticate you. They give them that code. And then next thing you know, they're taking over their account.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay, so two factor is good.

Nate Daniels:

Two factor is good. It keeps, um, so not only do you need a username and password to sign in if you're outside, but you also have sometimes an app on your phone, uh, like the Google Authenticator, which you can have all of your six digit codes or however many digits required, uh, right there, so you look at it and it rotates every minute or so, the numbers change and you input that number when it asks you, hey, what's your security code?

Kamil Sarji:

Okay, so those are, uh, those are things, so that's why it's two factor, because you're using your email password. And then the second factor is the text. Is there a three factor out there? Not yet. I know of. Why would they do that? If you reach the second factor,

Nate Daniels:

like, you know, that's it. I think, I think three will be pushing it for everybody. Yeah. I think it will just drive everybody insane.

Kamil Sarji:

Maybe three is like your retina.

Nate Daniels:

Yeah, right. Or your, like, fingerprints. Already, you can do a lot with the biometrics. You can store a lot of information on our phones. Which, a lot of apps even have it built in now. Banking apps. Would you like to use the biometrics to log in after you put your username and password in for the first time?

Kamil Sarji:

But, Nate, I've seen movies where they cut off a person's finger and now they have access to everything.

Nate Daniels:

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that they have to do today because some of it's temperature related. Try, and I always say this sometimes, if you have anything that uses biometrics, try putting your thumb on a block of ice for a little bit. Don't do it too long so you don't get frostbite, but long enough to bring the temperature of your thumb down. Like I was

Kamil Sarji:

dead.

Nate Daniels:

Yeah. And then you try putting it on and it won't work. The door lock and the hose won't let you in.

Kamil Sarji:

Wow. Okay. Well, that's good. That's a good feature because yeah, uh, you cut off someone's finger.

Nate Daniels:

I had a business that was using a biometric login on the door lock to get in. And last winter it became an issue for them. And I warned them of this, that certain people weren't even, it wasn't working for certain people. I was like, yeah, the fingers are cold.

Kamil Sarji:

All right. So any criminals out there that are debating or thinking about, uh, taking out someone's finger, the, it's not going to work. It's complicated today. I mean, they could put it in the microwave. I think that

Nate Daniels:

might cook it a little bit. That might change the pattern on the thumb.

Kamil Sarji:

All right. So. All right, we went over the email and all that and making sure email is good. We all use Facebook. We all rely on Facebook for, uh, ads for connecting with clients. What are the things that hackers are doing for Facebook? I mean, you talked about one where the marketplace and the other crazy, stupid things,

Nate Daniels:

even, even on ads, people. Place ads on Facebook. Not that I'm saying don't do it because I think ad advertising is important, but there's people out there that will, they're scammers is what they do. And next thing you know, you're getting an inbox message telling you that your, your ad is violating, uh, Meta's, uh, Facebook's policy, advertising policy, uh, you need to review this right away and that there's a link. Don't click the link.

Kamil Sarji:

Oh my gosh. Yes. I get those so many. Like. It's a message from an account that's created with

Nate Daniels:

just Yeah, they might call it Meta Box or Facebook Support. annoying. Sometimes it's just Box. Yeah. Um, these scammers are out there doing it and what worries me is that it happens to you, it happens to me, it happens to almost everyone we know.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah.

Nate Daniels:

So my big question is, what are these companies like Meta and Facebook doing to try to prevent it? What are

Kamil Sarji:

they doing? What are they doing? Right. Yeah. Right. Cause it happens a lot. Right. And I've heard where people, uh, people's accounts were, they can't get back into their account because a hacker got in and blocked them. And they're like, I need to create a new business account now because Facebook is not helping me or not being supportive. Their

Nate Daniels:

support is almost non existent.

Kamil Sarji:

I mean, maybe they're getting more users, hackers, creating accounts, which is good for them, their numbers. Like, oh, we're getting all these new, new accounts. So annoying. And then

Nate Daniels:

when you report it, they reply back, sorry, we can't investigate this. It's not serious enough.

Kamil Sarji:

Let's talk about, cause we're all traveling. We're all going to different places, coffee shops, doing our work there. We're going outside the country and working from there. What do we have to watch out from?

Nate Daniels:

Uh, so any unsecured internet connection could be a potential threat to steal or mine data. So if, this is my recommendation, all my clients do this, um, and I have it set up for them, so that way the agents that are on the road, as soon as their computer connects to an internet connection, I have it set up to automatically connect to their VPN. To secure that connection right away.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay. What's the VPN?

Nate Daniels:

Virtual private network. Okay. So basically the computer could be at a coffee shop and let's say, uh, Florida, their office is back here in Rhode Island. That computer, as soon as it connects to that VPN, that virtual private network, that computer now thinks it's back in the office and it's using the equipment that's there in the office to filter traffic to and from that machine.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay. So if that VPN didn't exist. All those dirty hackers that are saying in the coffee shop could get into the machine

Nate Daniels:

if it's not secured.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay,

Nate Daniels:

could they see what you're doing? Depends if you shared access to things, put things on public access that shouldn't be. Um, they could say they could get access to certain files in the computer. Absolutely.

Kamil Sarji:

Wow. Uh, can they see your passwords that you're typing into your?

Nate Daniels:

If they accounts, if they set up a fake like login page for you to go into. Sure.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay.

Nate Daniels:

There's any amount of possibility. So they could

Kamil Sarji:

do that. They could, they could make a fake Facebook page that you go into and you think it's Facebook? Yep.'cause you typed in Facebook, right. And you go there and it's like, boom, we got that information. Wow. Okay. That's dirty.

Nate Daniels:

Yep. So the second way to protect from that happening is to not use the public hotspots. You can if you know that your security is up to date and you've got the VPN and everything, that's fine. You can use the hotspot that's in your phone. You can buy a separate hotspot that you carry with you for the internet. Those are things I usually recommend too, especially if it's somebody that has to do a lot of sensitive information, even in real estate transactions that can happen frequently, there's a lot of sensitive information being passed. Um, having your own secure hotspot is probably the best for connecting to the internet. When you're out and about.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay, wow. What about those fake Wi Fi hotspots? You know, like you go to a coffee shop, Latte Larry's free Wi Fi versus Latte Larry's Wi Fi, right? And you're like, well, there was two of them. I don't know which one to connect to. I'll connect to the one with no password or the one with a password that could be a fake Wi Fi that someone set up. On their laptop? Right.

Nate Daniels:

The one with the password would be a lot less likely because they'd have to have a way of getting that password to the person to be able to connect. They want to make it easy for them

Kamil Sarji:

to hack

Nate Daniels:

into. The free ones are the ones that you have to be, just use caution because those are set up to mine and steal information.

Kamil Sarji:

So if you connected to that and you have a VPN, are you safe or no?

Nate Daniels:

If you connect to that and you try to connect with your VPN, chances are the VPN won't connect.

Kamil Sarji:

And

Nate Daniels:

that'll be a telltale sign that that's not a good connection

Kamil Sarji:

to use. So, wow, that's interesting with the VPN. So, VPN is very important to have. You can have it on your phone and laptop? Correct. Well, there's services out there that do both.

Nate Daniels:

Yep, there's services out there that do both. The equipment that I typically install in people's offices will do both. So you can have the VPN on your phone, you can have it on your laptop for traveling. And there's more benefits to that than just protecting yourself from scammers. You can also, with a VPN, you can still access the same shared information. If you have a server or any type of file share set up in the office, like Uh, we'll call it like a public drive or a shared drive, which a lot of offices use to share documents and information. Um, they could still access that information securely. Um, they could print, if they needed to print something back to the office, they could print back to

Kamil Sarji:

the office. Back to the office. That's cool. That's, that's important.

Nate Daniels:

Yep. So, there's VPN, more than just security. Security is one of the top things, but there's so much more that you

Kamil Sarji:

can do. Okay. One thing I wanted to talk about, I think we missed it with the transactions, real estate transactions, we're getting wiring information or the attorneys are getting wire information so that they can wire the funds to, for the house. So, you know, like, so they're sending 400, 000 to this account. What they're doing is they're hacking into this person's email and sending the wire instructions to the right parties. We're waiting for it. Next thing you know, that party sends, uh, 400, 000. So it's

Nate Daniels:

probably because even anybody susceptible to this, whether it's an attorney or a real estate agent, sometimes the attorneys don't know, don't use the free email services because they can, that can all be prevented. If you have somebody that's actively that you're actively consulting with, uh, somebody like myself, it doesn't have to be me, but somebody that's been doing this a long time will be able to guide them in the right direction. Yes, you have to spend a little bit of money to have a paid account, but that paid account is going to be worth it because a lot of times they come with even additional services such as email encryption. So you can choose to encrypt a message for even more added security.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah. Well some of the times it's not even that they got into the attorney's email, it's that someone created an email to look like it was the attorney spoofed.

Nate Daniels:

Yeah, spoof. But they already knew who to send it to. That means they know to send it to, they did get into the email at some point. Yeah. And they have all these email

Kamil Sarji:

addresses that

Nate Daniels:

are

Kamil Sarji:

Wow.

Nate Daniels:

Correct.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay.

Nate Daniels:

Yeah. So they did get in at some point to, in order to get that contact list, they had to have gotten in at some point.

Kamil Sarji:

Hmm.

Nate Daniels:

So how to prevent. Something like that. Again, it comes down to the basics, strong passwords, change passwords often don't use free services, have a paid account, not the free ones that will prevent 99 percent of that. And also if you go to a website and it's asking you to log in to your email service and you're already logged in, cause you have Outlook on your phone or Outlook on your computer, don't put in the username and password. Cause we call that a phishing site, but again, good malware protection. That's on a computer. We'll catch that.

Kamil Sarji:

Wow.

Nate Daniels:

They'll say, Hey, this is a phishing site. We're not going to let you go there, but that happens. They set up, do it to banks all the time. They'll set up a website to look like your bank's login page and trick you into using the link. It'll look like it came from your bank and everything. Oh, we need to update whatever. And you click that link. It looks like you're at the bank's website and you put in your username and password, but it tells you it was wrong. Well, now they just got your username and password. Because it's a

Kamil Sarji:

fake site with the fields. So when you type it in, it goes and gets emailed to someone. Right. To be able to actually, wow.

Nate Daniels:

Yeah. So that's also how somebody can get access to an email too. So again, and it could be like somebody's using Gmail, for example. I don't want to pick on Gmail, but it's one of the popular ones that everybody knows about. Uh, so there's a lot of hackers that'll make the Google login page look just like the Google login page.

Kamil Sarji:

Uh, Gmail is also used for, uh, spammers to send emails to people cause it's not blocked. It's correct. Gmail. com. Correct. Wow.

Nate Daniels:

Which is why I, I am a big advocate of avoiding the free services. If you're going to do something professionally. Hmm.

Kamil Sarji:

So what's your, what, what do you recommend for like, um, software for antivirus and malware and internet secure, like the whole package?'cause

Nate Daniels:

there's like, there's a lot of options out there, but I always say stay away from the big name brands such as, uh, McAfee Norton, those are marketing machines. Wow. So they're okay. But they're also going to do two things. They're going to hog the resources in a system. Um, the protection isn't going to be as good as it could be. And you're going to get a lot of marketing information from them. You'll get emails and from time to time, they'll try to sell you on different services that they have, whether it's their own VPN or whatever. I

Kamil Sarji:

hate

Nate Daniels:

it.

Kamil Sarji:

Yes. Annoying. Yeah. I wish I could pay extra to not get bombarded with marketing stuff from them.

Nate Daniels:

That's why I usually stare towards the lesser known ones that are probably even better. Such as like Komodo Antivirus, Komodo Cloud Antivirus, Komodo. They have a whole wide range of products that you can purchase. It's a very good program. And high security too. WebRoot. Okay. Yep. I remember WebRoot. Yep. That one's still decent as well. Um, and then you could even use something like malware bites as well. That one's pretty decent. So these are for the computer. Yeah. What about your mobile phone? So same thing for the mobile phone. Uh, Komodo has a product for the mobile phone as well. Well, what's it really protecting? So it's looking for like, if you download an app that has a virus in it. Okay. That you don't know, because there was this whole thing not too long ago where on the Play Store, on Android devices, there was a ton of apps that were infected with certain malware that, for whatever reason, Google didn't catch right away. And people got them in their phones.

Kamil Sarji:

Hmm. So, that would have prevented that from happening. Right. What else does it do besides, besides that?

Nate Daniels:

Um, it'll protect for spam messages, like, it'll detect the spam texts that you get and will alert you, Hey, this is a spam text. This is what we've detected. You can still look at it, but we think it's spam. So it's, it's a lot of protection in that way to just make you aware of what's coming and going from your phone.

Kamil Sarji:

Okay. Let's talk about spam as far as web SMS texts and phone, like phone robocalls. Right. How do you prevent?

Nate Daniels:

So, some cell providers, the one I use, has a way of blocking the spam text. Like when they automatically detect it, they automatically block it from even showing up in your inbox. Okay. They also have one that will detect spam calls and basically when the call is coming in on your screen, I always say, it's my favorite caller calling me again. It says scam likely. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah. It's so annoying, like, bombarded with those calls, like, every day.

Nate Daniels:

And if you answer them, now they know it's an active number. So now they're gonna, your number's on a list. Oh, if somebody actually answers it, it's if you don't

Kamil Sarji:

answer, your voicemail picks up and it's like, oh, okay, it's a real number.

Nate Daniels:

Yep, that too. However, for whatever reason, I see it more when actually you answer it within the first two rings. All of a sudden the next day you get like 10 times as many calls.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah. You know what I want to do is I want to take all those spam numbers, right, that are in this database and somehow hack those spam, spammers and be like, Hey, here's some awesome numbers of real people that you should call and just have them call each other.

Nate Daniels:

Wouldn't that be awesome? We'll put the number for the FBI in there.

Kamil Sarji:

Oh, goodness. Yeah. It's the world we live in today. Yeah. And then I have to go through a lot of trouble to be able to have a phone number. Correct. You know, I got to prove I'm real, but what do they do? Like, how are they getting through and what is this country going to do with all these, uh, with all this? Who knows? Wow. We covered a lot. Nate, um, it's awesome stuff. How can Complicated. Complicated, yes. Complicated stuff. That's why people need someone like you. So how do people find you?

Nate Daniels:

Um, I mean, they can go to my website, natedaniels. net And they can get in contact with me there, my phone number's there, they can send me a message, they can send me an email, they can look at my, spy on my business, see what I'm up to. Last question, what's your, uh, password for your, uh, email? Oh no, that's, that one's easy, that's password1234.

Kamil Sarji:

Yeah, don't, don't set that up as your Awesome, Nate. Thank you very much for stopping by. You're welcome. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for having me, Kamil. Absolutely. Thank you. My agents got a squad, we all in the zone. In house help, so they ain't doing it alone. They focus on clients, negotiating win, while the back ends hand them, man, that's how we spin. I hand them business, watch them all climb.

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