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12-Essential Self-Defense for Real Estate Agents: Protect Yourself with Expert Tips from Kevin Kearns

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In this episode of "Just 2 Minutes," host Kamil Sarji sits down with Kevin Kearns from Burn with Kearns to delve into the critical topic of self-defense for real estate agents. Kevin shares his extensive background in martial arts, detailing how he transitioned from a bullied child to a renowned self-defense instructor. Discover practical tips and techniques that real estate agents can use to stay safe while on the job. From situational awareness to handling physical confrontations, Kevin covers it all.

Highlights include:

  • The importance of situational awareness in real estate.
  • Self-defense strategies using everyday items.
  • Real-life scenarios and solutions for agents in vulnerable situations.
  • Kevin’s journey from martial arts enthusiast to a fitness and self-defense coach.

Whether you're a real estate professional looking to enhance your safety or simply interested in self-defense techniques, this episode is packed with valuable insights. Tune in to learn how to protect yourself and stay safe in any situation.

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Welcome, everybody. I'm Kamil Sarji, your host. I'm the broker owner of Gold Door Realty, and this is Just Two Minutes. I have Kevin Kearns here with Burn With Kearns. Burn With Kearns. Burn With Kearns. Burns With Kearn. Burn With Kearns. not Burns With Kearns. Some people call it Burn After Kearns. Burn After Kearns. So, the way this show works is the first two minutes is just random questions, and then we go into the real estate industry. So, I have my Clock here? We have a timer. Uh oh. Yeah. Oh yes. Uh oh. I'm Irish so I can tell stories. So be careful. Alright, so it's two minutes. Two minutes. And, you know, just, uh. Fly away. Answer the questions. I don't have many, so. Please do. So, fire off. Fire off. Okay. Hit the timer. I'm ready. I'm ready. Not too fast. Okay. Fast, but not too fast. Does that make sense? Yes. It doesn't make sense to me, but okay. We will start. All right. Ready? Yep. And go. All right. So have, um, do you, do you believe in love and swimming? Love and swimming? Yes. Both. You do. No, I mean, like together. Love and swimming, or love in swimming. Love and swimming. Love and swimming. Yeah. You do. You know what I'm saying, right? Like, someone falls in love and they swim together. And they're like, oh my god, love and swimming. Like the Olympics, you know. I don't like that part of the sport, but yes. Okay, awesome. I'm glad you believe in that. Um, so ever, ever wear your left shoe on your left foot and the right foot on the left shoe and do the cha cha slide? Yeah. So everywhere, you have to run that by me. So everywhere your left shoe and your right foot and your right shoe. Yeah, and then do the cha cha slide. Um, no, but I have one of my shoes on my hands just for, you know, shits and giggles. So you've never done that with the cha cha slide or any other dance? No, but I can dance. Okay. I'm lucky. All right. Um, what's the coolest Lego thing that you've built? Oof, that would have to be a TIE fighter. From Star Wars. Really? Yeah. From scratch, or you had to put it together? Put it together. Wow, that's amazing. Have you ever thought about changing your last name to Burn? You know what, it's funny that you said that because a lot of times when I've done trade shows, people will come up to me and go, Mr. Burn I'll go, well, what's Kearns? So you have thought about it? I have thought about it. Okay. Yeah, it's pretty badass. put as my middle name. Kevin, instead of John, my father would roll over in his grave. Kevin Burn Kearns Burn Kearns uh, okay, so, what's your game plan in a zombie apocalypse? Oh, game plan is on the apocalypse, is at least have the woman, the woman in love with, you know, we'll take out one sword, I take out the other sword, she looks at one side on the right, I take a look at the left side, whoever comes back with more heads doesn't buy drinks. Wow! He's like If there are any drinks, wow! He's like, you thought that out! Yes! Really? You have a plan? Oh yeah! Oh my gosh, that's awesome! Yeah, absolutely. Wow, all right. I'll have to watch that again cuz That was so fast. I thought you were so good with that one. Kamil's like, He's actually thought of all this! You take the right, I'll take the left. Whoever comes back with more heads doesn't buy drinks. I'm glad you have a plan. Absolutely. Self defense is huge. Important. Huge. So, Kevin, tell me about you. Like, you know, I'm really curious to hear. Oh, okay. About how you first started. How I first started. So let's jump back. You'll notice how I have a wedding ring on my right hand, okay? But that's not my wedding ring. I'm divorced the whole bit. This is my dad's wedding ring. So my dad passed, unfortunately, when I was 12. Great guy, just drank too much. He actually passed at 48, and I'm gonna be 58 next month, believe it or not. 58! Anyway, that's not from Curls4Girls either. I gotta have fun with this. It's not. Curls4Girls, anyway. That was when he was 17. When he passed, I got bullied as a kid. I was a late bloomer. I was always a kid that was a step behind. It's actually the title of my first book is Always Pick Last. It's my first book that's on Amazon and I stunk at every sport. And then what happened is my father passed. The bullying got worse. Thank God a close uncle taught me taking karate. I am the original karate kid. Legit. I am legit the original karate kid. I got so infused in that and he thought, wow, he was like, wow, this is, he'll learn how to beat up the bullies and that'll be done. Nope. I've spent four decades now in martial arts. Well, so I know what bullying is nowadays, like social media. What was it back then? Let's see, getting thrown downstairs, windows broken in my mother's car, kids picking on you multiple times, you name it. Wow, that's professional bullying. Yeah. Now they're just amateurs. Yeah, now they're like, oh, they didn't like me on TikTok. Really? You worried about that? I went from there, and my mother did something very smart, and I tell people this all the time. I had to be 21 when I was 12. I had no choice. So she kind of pushed me away, because I kept going to her, and I had to stand on my own two feet. I got, my father was, I'm from Everett, so I'm from a poor city, a blue collar city. Grew up in a three family. And what ended up happening is, my father was the building inspector, so he was very good at communicating with people. My mother was too. So that's why I get my rapport, what it taught me when my mother pushed me away, it's okay to ask for help. So I went to the guys in the dojo in, um, AOT school that looked like big gyms and GI Joes. I'm dating myself when I say big gym. And they, we had a weightlifting room. They said, Hey, can you guys teach me weightlifting? So at 14 I was like a buck 30. I started lifting weights. I didn't know I was strong. Within two years I was 155 and I was bench press in three 20. Amazing. At 17, I didn't realize I was strong. That, my first love was martial arts, then I got into karate, but then I got into multiple different martial arts, then I got into weight training, and then I actually fell into exercise physiology. So I got my degree at UMass Boston. You know, people always say when I go out and I do talks at schools or my anti bullying system, I do mental health talks because I have a book on mental health, but I'll do talks at schools or career days and they'll say, well, coach, how did you get started? What was your plan? I go, my plan was no plan. You know, it's that old joke. And I'm not trying to get religious. If you want to make God laugh, tell me your plans. He's gonna go, I don't have that, no way, that ain't gonna work. It's just like success. Look at your success. Has it been a straight line? It's never a straight line. I tell people all the time, I go, success isn't a straight line. Life isn't a straight line. Relationships aren't a straight line. They're all over the place. It's all jagged. That took off. I got such a love for exercise physiology. I literally started my company in 1990. I worked for a personal trainer in my internship. This company, Burn Burn with Kerns. Well, the original company was the Fitness Then it became Burn with Kearns and I'll get into that in a second, but it's a good question. And when you think back, I'm dating myself now, this was 1987, 1990. The only people that had personal trainers was Madonna. So that developed, you know, people were starting to do it in gyms the whole bit. And then it started catching fire. And then I did my internship with another personal trainer. Then I broke off on my own. I didn't know what I was doing. My ex wife, my girlfriend at the time, ex wife now, I was going to go look for another job after I left that other guy. And she says, why don't you just start your own company? I mean, I never, the way we were raised, and I'm sure we're almost the same age. You're probably way younger than me, but I'm 32, you're 32? You're 82, right? I'm 32. Okay. So the way we were raised is you go to school, you get a degree, and then you go work for a company. Well, that's not reality anymore, is it? That didn't happen. I never thought about starting my own business. And when I started with my Boston accent, if you can't tell, started my own business. So when you think about it, I started, I had no clue what I was doing. I was living in my mother's house. Couldn't get away to get out of it after I graduated, but I didn't have the money. So I literally started this company as an afterthought. Had another job at Boston Athletic Club. I was a fitness trainer, had another job on the side, and I was taking care of a stroke patient three hours a day in exchange for rent in Pembroke, and my company started. So what exactly did you do with the company? You know what I did? I thank God for, we had a very big family, close family. My uncle had a flea market, so I became a paper boy at 12. You learn how to sell really quick, and you learn how to take care of your customers. So I always recommend these young kids, get a job. Get a job, right? Because you have to learn how to customer interaction skills. So guess what? The paper ends up there

at their house at 6:

05. You get a bigger tip, more money. My uncle had a flea market. He had like a booth at a flea market, and he sold tools. So he would put me up front as, you know, I was the hawk. Hey, come on, get your axe handles, your axe handles for 50 cents. And I have my little change thing and I started rapping with these 13 I'm rapping with these people and I said, you guys want some tools? Go back and see my uncle. My uncle will bring them in and sell them tools. That's how I learned how to sell. So what happened is when I started the company came as an afterthought and I literally would go to gold's gym and brain tree. I lived in Pembroke and go to Gold's gym and brain tree the minute they opened and I would start walking on the floor talking to people. Hey, that's great how you did that. But let me show you a better way to do that. That's more effective as far as what? As far as training them with personal training. Oh, okay. Okay. So you did sales, and like No, this was my own business. I wasn't even doing sales. I was selling me. Selling you, yeah. Which is the easiest thing to sell, I tell people. Because, as you know, in your business, Whether you have brokers under you or not, you have to tell them, even though you work for me, you have to be your own brand, right? You have to be your own brand. I tell people all the time, you have to be your own brand. Now, fast forward, people said to me, Oh, we'll see what happens in five years. Five years, we'll buy the company. Why would they say that? Because don't forget, this is 1990. Nobody had anybody with personal training. Nobody's personal training. What's a personal trainer? My mom almost died. I swear, I can't swear that much. I almost pooped a brick at my wedding when I had 30 clients at my wedding. Literally, 30 clients. So my business went from here to here overnight. My business went from 20 grand to 100 grand within three years. That's awesome. And I was just, I mean, I'm relentless anyway, but I was relentless.

I was up at 3am, first client was 4:

30. By the time people were having lunch, I'm thinking about lunch at 10am. And I would just flat out go and then stop and then go again. And I would work six days, six days a week. And then eventually, one of my top clients came to me and said, let's open a gym together. Now, I believe in learning from failures. Happiest, Gym's are really tough, Happiest day in my life is when I bought the gym. Second happiest day is when I sold the gym. It was in Brookline, where I had a lot of clients. We were doing well. We, we flipped it. It was a junk. It was a dump. We flipped it over, made it look nice. The whole bit. We had 300 members. Within two years, we had 900 members and 5, 000 square feet. We were getting ready to sell it to some of the big gyms, big box gyms. Can you say what it's called now? It was called the Fitness Connection. Not anymore. It's closed a long time ago. We were selling it to one of the bigger gyms. I think it was Boston Sports Club was going to buy us. One month before we were going to sell out, 9-11 hits us. Everybody pulled back. So nobody wanted to do anything, and then we sat on it, and then I finally sold it to one of my trainers. And I turned around and I said, you know, My marketing guy came up with this whole Burn with Kearns idea. And then one thing led to another, and what ended up happening is, I started training in Thai boxing. I started Thai boxing in 1995, where we Thai. Left for a while. Thai boxing is tough. It's like a lot of kicking. Well, it's all the shins, elbows, knees. Oh my gosh. I've trained in a lot of different stuff. I've trained that for a long time with Moktel Lagradi at Sit Yatong. He's my main coach. I'm a level 2. I trained with Steve Widia down at SBGE's. And now I've been doing more Filipino and Kalian, Indonesian, Silat. Alright, it's actually Bernhard. SSBD. Which is very weapon based, but yeah, it's stuff that takes care of business. I was in the right place at the right time. And I always tell people when I go out and do talks, schools, businesses, whatever, careers, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but what you have to have is skillset, mindset, and opportunity. And I'm a big fan of opportunity. I was doing personal training, then I got involved in corporate. I was doing stuff with UPS for a long time. I would go out and do what's called pre communications with their drivers, and they'd be like, the managers would like, You can get truck drivers to do stuff we could never get them to do. For some reason they like me. As far as what? Training them to do what? Flexibility, strength, how not to hurt your back. Oh, nice. Because we call them industrial athletes. Okay. Fast forward a little bit. UFC is just starting to take off ultimate fighting. So I met Sit Yatong. Marked out on the karate string. In Queens, excuse me, in some of them. And UFC sets taken off. Well, Dane is a Boston boy. Most of the first fighters on the first show were from Boston. So I'm looking at these guys, the way they're training, you know, as far as conditioning wise, and they're, they're doing bodybuilding. I ain't giving up bodybuilding in 98. Nobody talks about TB therapy, you know, the bands, the malls, you know, Tom Brady. I go, we were doing that stuff in the early nineties. Medicine balls, bands, that's all came out of functional strength training. We were all doing that stuff back then. I gave up bodybuilding and did that. I'm looking at these fighters going, I was doing heavy bench press last week and deadlifts. I'm like, You got a fight in three weeks, dude. What are you doing? You're supposed to be cutting weight, right? You're supposed to be more muscle endurance. And I realized they were training wrong. Luckily, right place, right time, local fighter named Kenny Florian. I knew him. We were at the same gym. He goes in for a championship fight in 2006. He's outmatched. He fights his, you know, what off. You know, bloodbath the whole bit. Loses, and I was actually helping him flexibility wise. Ends up hiring me. So now I have this lab rat. So I literally rebuilt him in my basement in my old house in Norfolk, because I had full gym. Rebuilt him from scratch. If I showed you the before and after from the Sean Strick fight for a championship with Kenny Floyd to the Dokonami Mishima fight in April 2007, you'd be like, you have to have him on steroids. I'm like completely different. And that led to me actually ended up training 15 UFC fighters. And then that led me to do my own DVD series called Burn with Kearns The Basement Tapes for MMA Conditioning. When did you come up with your first book? My first book was 2011. 2011, okay. Well, first book, how many books do you have? Two, right now. Two, okay, wow. Two, and I'm working on my first TED Talk. Writing a book is a lot of work. A lot of work. Yeah. Well, video, let me tell you back. Pete, these young kids don't realize, doing videos back in the day, so I started doing videos in 2005, and then we did more. Now you have this lovely camera. I was 96, and that's when I started doing it. Actually, no. Like, 94, 95. Well, you know, you had to have a camera crew, the whole bit, this and that, they had to splice film, they had to do all this crazy stuff, it was like, I remember filming our basement tape series, December 2007, in my old gym that I sold. We had the keys, the whole bit, and my crew and I. What are you recording? Like, moves? Recording workouts we had. Basically what I did is I came up with a formula, a three step formula for my fighters. Formula one, you know, program one was strength hypertrophy. Program two was explosive power. Program three was, was gas in the tank, getting them ready for basically the rain. So it was a three step process. And I was writing for all these, I was writing for a couple of magazines. So I got well known. Plus I'm going off to fights. They're seeing me on Spike TV back then. They're seeing me, this, that, and the other thing. My name's getting thrown around, this, that, and the other thing. The DVDs took off. My fulfillment company was the third bay of my garage for years. I'm like stuffing envelopes. But people don't realize, You make DVDs, once you've shelled the first amount of money, then it's all profit. If you have something in you, you just have to do. Yeah, yeah. You know, like we had an investor for 25 grand to do the three DVDs. We lost it, like 2007 when the market crashed. And I went to my ex wife at the time, my ex wife now, my wife at the time. I said, I got to do this. I pulled 10 grand out of my house. I did three, you know this because you've been there. I did three DVDs. And videoing with a camera guy, videoing, editing, cover design, had a thousand of each made, and we did it all for 10 grand. Is that impossible or what? I begged, borrowed, and stole to get it done. And when we launched them, we made our money back in a week. A week. I never, I'm like, and then that led to other videos, and then it led to me. I had other magazines. It's like, Hey, if you're available to write for us, I'm like, available? That's a little different considering I'm a C minus English. You know what? People say, you know, are you a good writer? I'm like, Nope. I don't know why people want to listen to me. I'm good at telling stories. So when did you transition from that to like focusing on the real estate self defense? You know, it's interesting that you say that, Kamil. Because the reason you say that is, I've always had this marriage between martial arts, self defense, and fitness. And I, you know, and I couldn't find the right connection yet. And then recently, when I was working with Milo Desperado over at Angle Focus, he's a big client of mine. Back last November, we came up with this idea. We didn't realize how vulnerable realtors really are. I think there was just something, what, two weeks ago that I think I just mentioned to you, a male realtor was killed in an open house. We had that murder in Barrington. What was that? Six years ago, you know, from the female realtor, we didn't realize how exposed the business is. So he and I came, went back and forth. And he goes, I got a great idea. Let's just do this. Let's just launch this. Let's do this. My place, I'll pay it, blah, blah, blah. Took off. Then I said, all right. And then I started investigating. I started going to the National Association of Realtors and seeing The increase in violent attacks. I go, okay, this is a serious thing. So then we came up with the concept and now. Whether it be realtors, mortgage brokers, whatever. The normal process is either I go out to a brokerage and I say, Hey, you know, you pay me X, I'll take care of all the brokers. Or we'll have multiple partners. Like if you work on a mortgage broker or a lawyer, we'll have multiple sponsors and we just hosted an event in April that we had 77 people sign up. And then we're working on one June 26 in Providence and we're working on sponsorships. Now we have a few slots open. We'll probably have 50, 60 people there. And then you're doing one after. Oh, I'm doing them all summer. All summer, okay. And then the other thing they'll do is, like, let's just say like Emilio Desperado and Joe Fazio who own Angle Volcas in East Greenwich. What they did is, they turned around and they actually created a position for me. I'm now the fitness wellness and safety advisor. Oh, excuse me. I didn't know I had an advisor here. You know, we came up with the idea and he's like, listen, we gotta do something about this. Because people like yourself and people like them are very forward thinking versus bury the head in the sand. We were just talking about the Braintree attack. Some young man, the other day, stabbed four girls in a theater, AMC theater. I'm like, Braintree's not a bad town. So I think some people would say, oh, you're paranoid. But is it paranoid or situational awareness? No, realtors are out there more than other professions. Absolutely. Realtors, nurses, anybody like that. But realtors more, like more than nurses. Nurses, okay, they're at the hospital. They're there. But sometimes they go out to the homes well, I agree with you because when you look about it, the nurses from a bill and traveling nurses Formable point is if they go in and out of the hospital realtors in a house. Oh, yeah rural area, right? They may not know the buyer bailing house been in house bad air. Who knows could be almost anything I mean, what was it two months ago? A realtor was shot because they tried to get somebody out of a house in Florida. Somebody was squatting the guy shot So, I mean, you've got to be really aware of what's going on. I've worked with military, law enforcement, you name it, the organization. I've worked with a bunch of them, and they all say situational awareness. You have to be aware. Yeah. And here's one of the best things. Yeah, so show us, show us some of the tools you have. So, so what, what are these? Like, okay, this is a normal tactical flashlight. Of course, brand it. Which every realtor should have. When you're going in a basement or there's no light, you need a flashlight. Blinding. Plus we use this as an impact weapon. So if somebody grabs you right on their wrists, all about eight pounds, that's it. And it's portable. Plus it's blinding. And you can, you can literally go anywhere with this. I've traveled to Japan with this. Nobody's taken away from me. The smaller version is a little cuter. Okay. Very much more portable. It is cute. But you'll notice it's beveled at the end because one of the things that happens is, say you did come up across an attack and you scrape.'cause we teach people to scrape across the eyes the whole bit. The attacker takes off. Now you have this DNA to bring to the police. Oh, okay. So what's the purpose of that? Is the intention of having those on the edge there?' cause it hurts like hell. Especially beginning in the eyes. That's the only reason they invented that or Or started doing that. Yep. Is for military and scraping The military idea was that to scrape because in a lot of the Filipino martial arts and Indonesia, martial arts, one of the things they'll do is they'll do an eye flick. So you can't see if you take out a sense, I've seen it with the sand. Sand? Not even sand, just your eye. Just flick. Or one of the things we teach them. Flick like that? If I hit you in the eyes, you'll blink. Oh, hit in the eye. Oh yeah, we call it a wipe. Just wipe across the eyes so people can't see. Like, well It's not fair. Like, if you're having a street fight, and someone grabs sand and throws it, that's not fair. That's not fair. There's no fair. You gotta play by the rules. There's no fair. Why? There's no fear because everybody has to follow the rules. Nowadays people are carrying these. But in a street fight you can't take that. You gotta be honest and be like, we're only gonna use fists. We can't punch below the waist. Do you think this is 1950? Is that what you're thinking? 1950 you stood like this. Irish, uh, I'm sorry, are you Irish? Yeah, half. I wasn't making it. Half Italian. Okay, I wasn't making it. That's why I can tell stories. And cook. Make pieces. So, street fights nowadays, they bring that. They bring anything. Anything. There's no, there's no rules. It's funny that you brought that subject up because when you look back to World War II. So when you think about World War II, we had this huge push of 19, 20 year olds coming on board, right? And now we're facing the Japanese, which are a samurai culture. They taught martial art techniques. It's So, Rex Applegate and Douglas Fairbanks, two colonels, had to come up with these digestible self defense techniques, or basically combat techniques from, it was called CQC, which I'm a little versed in, close quarter combat, and it had to do with all defending themselves against this. And you gotta literally reprogram their mind, because like you said, oh, it's not a fair fight, I don't know, like, no, you can punch to the groin, you can eye gouge, you can do all that stuff. Actually, it was worse before that. Remember how they had to take 10 steps and then turn around and shoot each other? That's messed up. And sometimes people would turn around without even 4, and then they'd shoot. That's not fair. No. That person needs to be put in jail. I don't think there is, that's why I always tell people, I go, listen, they go, there is no fair. You're on the ground, get off the ground as quick as you can. Quick as you can, because their buddies are around. I've seen plenty of street fights that end up, three or four people jump in, there's beer bottles, the whole bit, everything going on. So why would someone carry this around? A knife. Yeah. Because they have intentions of hurting people. My dad carries one, does he want to hurt? No, I carry, I've got a bunch too. You want to hurt? No. Okay. Because you know what? You can still have this as a tool, because that's what I believe, and you can still have this as a tool, plus, if you don't open it, I can still use it like this as an impact weapon. Okay. If I have to open this side, then we have a problem. Mm. If I'm just standing there holding this, and you don't know it, and even if you have a knife, I'll destroy your knuckles, I'll destroy your arm. So, as far as defending yourself with a knife, people come at you in different ways, but sometimes they're not trained on how to attack someone with holding a knife, right? They're going, they're holding it like that. I'm gonna stab you, or I'm gonna stab you. That's the Jason one. That's the easiest one to defend. Well, not bad. You kind of get the idea. Oh, like that? I'll stop. No, this way. Oops. I can, I can show you one camera maybe after . No, that, that one, if they come in this way, this, that's known as ice, pick up a cow and, and Filipino, and that's this. Okay. Ice picking style. Oh, ice picking. And really the only thing you're gonna really get is your neck. That if they hit you in the bumble area, if you, you, you shield here. Yeah. You can literally strip the knife outta their hand. It's so easy. It's very easy. So most attacks are either this, slash down, or in. So you do train on how to defend yourself if someone comes at you with a knife? Yes. We train how to use a knife, we train how to counter. With no weapons? If I had no weapons? Doesn't matter. Okay. See, the Indonesian and the Filipino arts, even some of the Thai arts, Indonesian and Filipino arts, Basically what happens is you start with a weapon because the weapon relates to no weapon. Versus a lot of other martial arts, and that's not to downgrade other martial arts, I love all martial arts, you start without a weapon to go to a weapon. So it's all based on what's called angles, okay? You basically X the body. So you basically fall on the same trajectory as a blade of weapon would. So in other words, if I came down, he won't spot my punch like this. People think boxing's Western. It's not. Boxing's from the Philippines. It's called Pandukin, literally. Like if you want to see somebody with phenomenal footwork, look at Manny Pacquiao's footwork. Manny Pacquiao's root art, root martial art, was Filipino Kali stick fighting. That's why he can go from conventional to southpaw. It's all based on triangles. So I'm in a fight or I'm about to get attacked. And they're not being fair because they take out their knife. There is no fair. Forget, forget fair. And I have a gun. Shoot them. Because they're not being fair, I can shoot them. Yeah. No problem with the law. No problem. I don't have, no. Okay. I got scared. Okay. Now, if I didn't have a gun, I can use other things. Like if there's a chair, throw a chair at them, right? Chair, chair, whatever. Should I just keep holding the chair or just run? Yeah, use it. Anything, anything to bridge the gap between the knife and you, you're fine. Okay. Table, probably too heavy, but. Table's too heavy. I'll keep the table from them. Or just run. You can even use a baseball hat. Baseball hat? Yep. Interesting. Like, you literally put your keys in a baseball hat, smack them. Seriously. Hurts like hell. I don't carry keys. That's an Indonesian trick. I gotta get the flashlight, cause I don't carry keys. Oh, well guess what? That one's yours. No. Yes. Oh my gosh. You just need a battery. And it says Burn with Kearns yes it does. Oh, that's so cool. Oh, it has a flashlight. There you go, you're good. Oh man, thank you. You're welcome. So, uh, I just want to talk about the training and any martial art training. How come they're, like, so rough? Like, let's say I want to learn martial arts, I'm nervous, I don't want to get punched or, like, squeezed or, like, why do they do that? Well, it depends on the martial art. When you look at judo, judo came out of Japanese jiu jitsu, right? They do that a lot. They, like, put your wrist and you, like, okay, okay, and then you tap into the thing, like. I get it, you're strong. Like, why are you still screaming? Well, if you put people in joint locks, a tap means you would break my wrist if you went any further. Yeah, but why do that to a student? Well, they're not putting them, they're just putting them in the locks, the lock is applied. It's known as live training. You can sit there and punch the air all you want, but if you don't have some live training, it's not gonna work. Okay. And you can go as hard and easy as you want. I mean, you know, it depends on the teaching, because I've been with plenty of teachers that went too hard. I've been with other people that went perfect. And then we have a saying in the Filipino and Indonesian arts, Slowest move in this move is fast. You don't go fast. Have you ever seen or been in a situation where they actually, they're training and they do break something? No, but I've seen people get injured because the teachers were uncouth and unethical. Unbelievable, those teachers. It happens. But you know, at the end of the day, Because the student's trying to be cocky and say, I'm ready. I could do it. And then the teacher's like, I'm going to teach you a lesson. You could say that to a personal trainer. You can say that to a transformation coach like me. And you could say that to a yoga instructor, somebody they pushed too hard, right? You can say it to anybody. You can say that to a yoga instructor is okay, but goodness, the. The training thing, like the break your wrists. Can I just say, all right, I'll do the training, but wrists are off limits. Like you cannot do Wrists is one of the worst breaks. Yeah, like crotch punching, that's fine. But don't do the wrist. So it's okay. Punch me in the crotch, make my Yeah, but not that hard. Like hard, but not that hard. So you're gonna pick, but don't touch my wrist. Like, don't, please don't break my wrist. Do you have a problem with the wrist? Yeah. You type Oh, on my phone. Oh, but if you, if you're peeing blood, that's okay though, right? If you get punched in the, that's temporary. I think it depends on how hard you get hit. Okay, fine. Wrists and crotches off limits if you're worried about anything else. But if you're worried about typing, right. That's why they can speak dictation. Yeah. So you are outta that one. I gotta unlock my phone. You can still do face, you pick it up. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, no, I'm not gonna take your face. I want you to type in your full password. That's why you do the nose thing. Oh my gosh, and it's like an hour to get into my phone. Okay, so, can I say that into a training? Like, I don't want to do live training? Or is there, or how do you do, what do you do in your, in your sessions? Well, we'll cover things that I basically, the things that we cover is simple basics. It's all basics, okay? The one that we have coming up on June 26th in Providence. Which this will be aired past that, it'll probably be aired in August. We'll have another one on August 8th. I'm having a lot of time, just go to burnwithkearns.Com, you can see our whole schedule. Burn with Kearns, not Burns. Yeah, that's another guy. Not Mr. Burn either. Yeah. What we do is we, we take a combination of the dependent attacks that happen on a regular basis like the one hand wrist grab, the front choke, the rear choke, and we go through those scenarios with people that we've gotten from law enforcement feedback that this is what attackers are doing now. This is what attackers are doing. Like the one of the big ones now is the hair pull, the backpack pull. That's one of the ones we do. What do you mean ask cops about what people are doing now? Because violent attacks. As opposed to like 10 years ago? It's different. Yeah, really. People weren't wearing backpacks as much. Oh my gosh, you're right. Think about it, you know. Yeah. You had, what was it? Three weeks ago, the guy in New York put a belt behind somebody, someone's neck, pulled it backwards. Dragged her behind. Who's done that? Nobody's done that before. Dragged her behind a car, raved her. Right in New York City. You know what I mean? Who does that? Who carries knives in a theater? You know, that's the crazy stuff. So, yeah, you just, you basically get, we teach them the basics. Basically, blading their body. So, what I usually tell people, when I do a lot of work at domestic violence shelters, or my workshops, or my classes, I say, Listen, here's the thing. Use your brain, your mouth, and your legs to get out of danger. Your brain, your mouth, and your legs. Once they break the six foot barrier, all bets are off. That's the six feet is where it gets dangerous. Like, one of the old things that people used to do is this. Because now people are getting back to watches now, because the Apple Watch. And this is legit from law enforcement, FBI, and these are the people I learned from. A scumbag would say, if I can say that, but they are scumbags. A scumbag would say, do you know what time it is? The minute you look at your watch, even though they're six feet away, they're on you. Literally, they're on you. Or, do you know where this street is? You turn, they're on you. That's how it worked. I did it. We were at a contest of conversation for realtors with Jacob Belt just recently. I brought a guy out and I noticed he had a watch. I'm six feet away from him. I go, Dan, do you know what time it is? And then he went like this. I tapped, I got in on him, tapped him in the head. He was like, I never thought of that. Because the brain can only focus on one thing at a time. How strong was the hit? Like Oh, I just tapped him. I just let him know. He was like, wow. Like a percentage from like Two percent. Two percent. Okay. Like a little slap. Yeah, no, I just tapped him in the head. But I mean, like, a scumbag would like, who knows, eye poke you, whatever. Yep. Like, you know, the normal, when you look at boxing, the normal jab, cross. We'll teach that as a combination, jab, cross. In the street, we're not going to have them do that. We're going to go eye poke. Throat jab right here. Yeah, if I'm out there and like someone asked me like what time is it or do you know something like Oh, I don't speak English and I just run away. You just said you just spoke English though, but it works for some reason The biggest thing because they can't you know, they're trying to get you to do something and you say oh I don't speak English and then the biggest thing I tell realtors whether they're in an open house wherever don't lose eye contact Always make eye contact and something's very important is you can if you're aware of your surroundings. You can kind of, I'm always like, on full alert, like when I'm going somewhere with my wife, I'm always assessing the situation. I can't, you know what, because we grew up, you know, 9-11, everything that's happened, the marathon bombing, you can't help but be on alert, and the way I've been trained. Like when I went out to that event and I saw, I literally, there was 30 people in the audience and I picked up two guys that had these in their pockets. Nobody else knew. Wow. You know, I'm not the smartest guy, but I know enough to look. And my girlfriend knows too, you know, almost always we're at dinner, my back is facing the door. I'm assessing the exits. I can't help but scan the room and see who isn't. If something looks off, I just like, you know, I was training her in a park in Pawtucket the other day. 10 o'clock in the morning, you know, it's 70 degrees and this is the sun. This guy comes by on a motorized bike. Oh yeah, she's doing it, she's kicking it. She's doing well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he, I thought he was just going to drive on. Then he stops right next to her van. He's probably where that is. He's like, she needs more power. She needs more power. I'm just like, no. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, tell her to go. And I went from one being calm to like eight. And she could tell she'd been around me long enough. I go, we're good here. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. Sorry. So he backed off. Now he comes around behind us, and he pulls on the other side. And he's got like a little pack on his bike. He's got gloves on, he's got a jacket on. I don't know who he is, if he's mentally sound, if he's got a gut. I don't know, and he's got all this other stuff. Now he hops off the bike. Now he's here, and he's probably about eight feet away. I didn't get concerned yet. But I'm still holding pads for her, but I've got my eye on him. And she can tell my whole demeanor changed. Now I'm sinking lower in my stance. Everything's changing. And he's like, yeah, yeah, sure. I'm a third degree black belt Now imagine the guy maybe he's a drunk whatever, but I don't know and he went he took one more step Can I just I'm holding past I look to go. We're good. It's just a blank stare. He's like, sorry. Sorry. Sorry Sorry, and I'm still holding pads. He took off. She's like if you didn't say it, I was gonna say it I'm like, I don't know what's in it. I go. I don't know what's in this pack I don't know if he has anything I mean, there's been so many wacko things happen nowadays. Women getting punched in New York City, right in the face of broad daylight. Oh my gosh. I mean, it's crazy stuff. But even people can say, well, he's not a threat. I don't know that. You know, he had folds, he had a jacket on, and it's like 75 on him, like I saw this video of this guy who was wearing a jacket, big guy. He's like, I'm going to get you. And the other guy's little, and he's like, I'm going to get you. And then he started taking his jacket off and the little guy like took the jacket and used it and like throw him down. You just wrap it up. That's probably that's a judo move judo move just like the lariat, you know when you have a lariat That's a great weapon. We use that like we use that like a sarong in indonesia Wrap up your hand. Wow and put it behind your back and choke you out So with as far as like helping realtors, you have a course. Yes that you do Originally, it was called be your own body guide. We had a rename at Burn with Kearns be your own body guy Now it's called self defense for you Because besides just the real estate, I'm also doing anti bullying and self defense programs at Pawtucket Boys and Girls Clubs. So I'm getting an affiliation now with Boys and Girls Clubs. That's the kind of combined element, you know, we have the self defense for the kids and we have the adult self defense. Like the big thing now besides realtors, it's college aged girls. Like they're going to school, things, you know, people want that. But no, as far as real estate age is a concern, whether it be a workshop, you know, Regular classes anything like that. We'll do whatever they need. So you have something else over there. Yeah, this is the wizard thing So this is a pocket stick. This is a Filipino pocket stick. Okay, that's cylinder. Exactly. See it's light. That's oak Yeah, because that's my logo on it. Okay, so we'll use that as an impact weapon. That's what these are based on So they'll carry these in the Philippines Because, you know, wood's plentiful. The counties in the Philippines, when you punch with this, you can't break your hand because now it's a bridge. So I tell people all the time, I go, if I see somebody do this, if I was an attacker and I'm trained, I'm going to dip my head. So if you punch me, you're probably going to break your hand on my head. How many professional boxers have broken their hands? Like tight, you name it. They've all broken them. Because I think they're punching with their knuckle, uh, their pinky knuckle. It still doesn't help. It's still, the bridge is still there. So holding that and punishing, you're protecting that from, you know, protecting from breaking. But now you have to think less like a westerner. Now you have the ends to do whatever you want with. Hit him in the temple with this, drape across the face with this, hit him on the other side of the jaw. You're using the ends as a weapon. You could do it with flashlight too. That's the idea. Kind Well, that's why we dubbed that. Nice. See, I got the idea of working with the police departments because they had these, because they no longer use the big ones. They use these now. As far as the big or little, is there, like, you can carry those no problem? These, they don't say anything. You said you went on the plane with that. I've traveled the plane with both of these. And when I get on the plane, they will like, you know, TSA will say, what's this if I go, oh, massage. Ooh. Yeah. The girlfriend, you can be like, oh, I brought it for her. Yeah, perfect. But the small ones even still work. You know, if this one still works, this is fine. Yeah, and it has a The bevel on it. Yeah. Yeah, because normally you Think about that. Somebody grabs your wrist, you strike, they're gonna let go. If they don't let go, just keep going up the chain. So, what's your future with helping self defense for agents and the Association of Realtors? I'm available. We have over 2, 500 certified personal trainers and transformation coaches under me worldwide. I started a certification program years ago. Just about all of those personal trainers have some type of martial art background. Are you serious? Yeah, I've been all over the world. Wow. So, when those videos I talked about earlier, we started a certification program, that went global. And obviously On your website, they can do the certification for you? Well, they can, no, no, we don't do that. I come out and do certification. When I've traveled to England, I've been to England, I can't tell you how many times, Texas, Okinawa. I mean, this went, this went all the way to Okinawa. Nobody said a word. So we have them all over the world. So the idea behind helping agents is if somebody needs me, they're like, okay, let's set up, you know, let's set up a program, do a demo, whatever. Have you thought of going nationwide with this, absolutely, program for realtors? Why not? Sure. I'm up for that. We have plenty of contacts. We have plenty of people. Yeah. And I think the best way to do it is either we work with one shop, like as I mentioned, I'm now Angle Invoca's East Greenwich safety, fitness and wellness and safety advisor. So we have both aspects. It's not just the self defense, we have the fitness aspect because you have to stay in shape too, right? Because obviously staying safe for your brain and your body and everything else, because what good is all making all that money if you're not going to have it? So you have to make a deposit in your fitness IRA. That's my pitch. Plus fitness actually. And life insurance. Yes. Exactly. Especially when you, when you do self, when you do the self defense training, especially the Thai boxing, all things of this nature, you're also getting a workout. So as far as nationwide, let's do it. I mean, I'm trying to work with the Beverly Cotter Foundation. I've reached out to them. National Association of Realtors. I want to write for them as well. I mean, a couple of the bigger outfits like Angle Volkers in Manhattan, they're talking about making me a preferred vendor for them, for North America. That's cool. Cause we can just spread this. Cause I, the good part is I've been in the, I've been in fitness and martial art business so long, I've got contacts everywhere. So wait, how does, if an agent wants to get started, what do they do? Go to your website? Go to my website? Better yet, here you go. Look, I'm old school, my phone's over there, 508-404-8503 I have a phone, I actually use it and I pick up. They can go to my website, they can go to my LinkedIn. But I'm saying, like, what kind of programs? It's all listed on there. Oh, okay. So you have different things. From the body, from the Be Your Own Bodyguard, now called Self Defense For You, to the Anti Bullying, to the Wellness Transformation, you name it. Okay. Open House, Defense. Whatever they want. Stuff like that. What we're gonna do, and I'm keeping this client quiet, but what we're going to do is, with Anglo Invokers East Greenwich, we're actually going to go through situations that realtors will come up across, and we're going to video them and put them into a library. Awesome, All right, so eventually on your site you're gonna have that more real soon more things. Okay, very cool We have a ton of workout videos in this bunch of self defense stuff on my youtube channel, too. Awesome, Kevin Thank you very much for stopping by today. Anybody want to see him going to wrist? Oh my wrist. I said it's off limits And crotch. Alright, thanks for stopping by. Stay safe out there. 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