9-Partnering Smart: Interior Design Tips for Flipping Houses with Michelle Parenteau

In this exciting episode of "Just 2 Minutes," host Kamil Sarji sits down with Michelle Parenteau from Michelle Lee Design to explore the transformative power of partnering with an interior designer during property flips. Michelle shares her journey into interior design, starting from her childhood love for colors and textures to establishing her successful business.

Learn how an interior designer can act as a project manager, handling everything from selecting colors and materials to coordinating subcontractors, allowing investors to focus on their core business. Michelle discusses the importance of thoughtful design choices, from picking the right colors to ensuring functionality in kitchen and bathroom layouts. She emphasizes the value of investing in quality materials to create appealing, move-in-ready homes that attract buyers quickly.

This episode also dives into the challenges of working in a male-dominated construction industry, how Michelle overcomes skepticism, and the critical role of staging in selling homes. Whether you're a seasoned flipper or just starting, this episode is packed with insights and practical tips to elevate your property flipping game.

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Welcome, everybody. I'm Kamil Sarji, your host with Gold Door Realty. I'm the broker owner, and I have Michelle Parenteau here today with Michelle Lee Designs. Hi, Kamil. Hi. Thank you very much for stopping by and doing this. Yeah, thanks for having me. This is great. I have to be honest, you're the first female person I'm interviewing. Wow. All right. I feel honored, then. Oh, goodness, this is a magnet. Okay. So the way this works is for the first two minutes, I'm going to ask you random questions. Okay. Okay? And then after that, we go into a Q& A. The real estate industry. All right. I use this because it keeps me on track. Everyone needs one of those. Oh yeah. Changes colors. Oh, that's pretty cool. I like that. Nice. You know I'm all about color, so. All right, so I'll put this here. Okay. Yeah, I don't think they can see it, but it's okay. Maybe we, you know, put it right there. Look at that. Oh, it's perfect. It's hidden. It's another use for the plant. Okay. All right. All right. So who's in nowadays? Uh, Britney Spears or JoJo Siwa? Uh, neither? You gotta pick one. Um, I guess Jojo. Okay, Jojo. Yeah, Britney hasn't really done anything lately, so, yeah. Um, if you went to a line dancing, um, get together. Uh huh, yes. Right? And, uh, there was no one to pair up with you. Uh huh. What would you do? I guess I would try to do it by myself, but it's a little scary when I, when I try to do it. I do coordination dancing, so Alright. If you ask my friends. So how would you How would you solve this problem, this puzzle, okay? We got Superman. Uh huh. And, uh, Robin, you know, Robin, Batman and Robin. Batman and Robin, yes. So they're arguing, they're like, arguing about the tights that they have to wear to this date they're going to. Okay. Alright. Purple. Yeah. They're like arguing about it. How would you solve that puzzle? Well, purple doesn't work with their uniforms, like their costumes, so you'd have to change it. But it's for the date, you know? Don't wear them. What do you mean? Don't wear anything? I wouldn't wear the tights, I would take them off. So if, uh, What's a family tradition that you like? Family tradition? Um, so my, every year I take the kids to, um, either Yarmouth or Hyannis. Mm-Hmm.. And, um, we go on a little vacation because it's hard for me to get away sometimes with, you know, with work and stuff like that. Mm-Hmm.. Um, but a good four days we, we spend together, there's nothing planned. We go to the beach, we go out to eat, we go shopping and Okay. It's just, it's nice family time. And last question is, um, the, from the date, uh, uh, uh, Robin got someone pregnant. Uh huh. Robin got someone pregnant. Okay. And, uh, they decided to, uh, adopt, adopt a baby. Okay. Put her up for adoption. Yep. Uh, which country would you say they should adopt it to, Canada or Australia? Australia. Australia, alright. You're not gonna ask who they got, who Robin got pregnant? Who did Robin get pregnant? Supergirl. Supergirl? Okay, I was gonna go with that. And Superman's pissed. Yeah, alright, I can see that. But he's Robin. So what'd you think? What's up with those questions? Ooh, some twisted questions. Weird. It's almost like the would you rather that I had to answer in my last podcast, so. And it's like, sad, like, I think I would cry if, I wouldn't go with line dancing, but if I did in another universe, And I was the only one. I'd be like, oh, I gotta go to the bathroom, and I'll just leave, never talk to these people again, or see them. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't. I've tried swing dancing before, back in the day when that was a big thing. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, no. Two left feet, so it's So you wouldn't do line dancing? I probably wouldn't do line dancing. But I I hear you. Dance on top of a bar, I would do that. Hmm. Yeah. What do you think of these, like, in our way? I think you need to tuck them in a little bit, so. Let me do my designing here. It was placed there on purpose. That's a little better. Okay, yeah. It needs a little trimming. So, we need a landscaper over here. Nice. Yeah, that's better. I like it. Yeah, that works. So, Michelle, tell me about your world. Like, you I'm crazy. What do you do? Like, first thing I'm so curious about. Okay. How the heck did you get started with Interior design. Interior designing. Okay. Since I've been a little girl, I've loved design. I've loved colors and texture. I used to like, you know, play with my Barbies and dye their hair and stuff like that, just, uh the colors I redesigned my bedroom when I was 7 years old. My grandparents let me pick out wallpaper, window treatments, carpet. So I was already starting to get into that textile feel. But it was really when my twins were 2 years old that I decided to go out on my own. I had a degree in fashion marketing. I worked in Macy's and Filene's doing all the visual merchandising. But I really wanted to have a schedule that was flexible so I didn't have to put them in daycare. And so I'd be able to see clients. Would be there for them too. Mm-Hmm.. And so I just one client at a time, I started my company name and I got business cards and I'd go to open houses and meet with realtors and ask them, let me stage your house for you that you're trying to sell, because I know that I can make this sell pretty quickly. So that's kind of how I started. And Cranston Chamber of Commerce too was a huge help. So networking. Yeah. I love your marketing strategy using your full name. Designs. Yes. That's amazing. I have to pay homage to my friend Stephanie So, because she helped with that. Though my mother named me, so I mean there's that also. I was gonna start a Cake delivering company. Uh huh. And I was gonna call it Kamil Sarji Cake delivery company in Rhode Island, but that was too long. You could shorten it a little bit. Kamil's Cakes? That sounds like bad, like naughty. It's naughty, okay. Kamil's Cakes? That's a whole nother, all right. Yeah, it's another episode. Okay, so that's how you got into it and you really got inspired to start your own business. Yes. Follow your dream. How long ago was that? So July 20th will be 20 years from my company. 20 years? Yes. I thought you were like 25. I wish. Oh my God. Oh my goodness. Okay, so 20 years. 20 years. That's awesome. And it's been, it's been amazing. I mean every year it's just more growth, more opportunities. It's been unbelievable. I just filmed what New England Living television episode of A Kitchen and Two Bathrooms I did and talked about color and stuff like that. So that was pretty cool. I see you like on TV. I wake up, I'm like, Oh my God, Michelle's on TV. I know. So not many people know this, but Michelle helped with my design. When I bought these buildings and got everything set up, I hired Michelle, that's right, to help me. And yeah, the reason is I knew I was going to be overwhelmed with so many decisions and especially starting the brokerage and redoing these whole buildings. Michelle was a great help. Look at this orange. This is not safe. Yeah, we didn't want to be safe in here, and I said go crazy with the colors like that's right you want I love we went bright and happy and cherry, and it's just a great co working space. There's so much energy Thank you. Yeah, and because the colors thing yeah, I know color is huge my red corduroy's today. Yes, you did That's right, we're gonna keep it with the colors. So as far as like 20 years, that's, that's amazing. It's a long time. So as far as like real estate, because I know you help restaurant owners. Yup. redo their world. But we're going to focus more on residential. Okay. So how do you help residential customers? So I meet with my clients and interview them and find out what they're trying to achieve in the house. Is it a kitchen renovation, a bathroom renovation, a whole entire house? Are they trying to have a more functional space where they can entertain or do they have a family an expanding family? So I really just try to listen to their their wants and needs and try to help them achieve that And I also try to help them a lot of people can't visualize so I try to help them visualize their space A lot of people are very afraid of color. So I try to bring them out of their safe zone I was just doing that today with a client actually because she loves beige and that's okay. It's a neutral color. It's better than gray Yeah Or white walls wall, white wall, white trim. And so we're slowly working on it, but she's slowly starting to embrace color, so, and I think that's huge. Oh my gosh. So realtors, we work with so many different personality types and I'm sure you deal with that. We deal with absolutely. People who are like public open to these changes and people who are not. Absolutely. Definitely some people, they want what they want and that's it. And so sometimes I look at a project, okay, I am just going to do what they wanna do. I don't try to impose my views. on what they're trying to do. I try to help them, but sometimes you can do amazing things and have a lot of fun. And sometimes it's a paycheck. So what do you do when you get a client, a tough one? Yes. A tough one. Who doesn't like your suggestions? Okay. Alcohol. All right. Oh, wait, Margarita is for you. Not them. Oh, yeah. No, me, me, me, for you. Okay. All right. Some clients, you know, increase the alcohol consumption sometimes. Yeah. So sometimes I have clients that they want to micromanage and they think they know everything and sometimes you have to stand back and just watch what happens and be like, all right, I know that you really wanted that and you thought that was going to work. But then they realize, what, we should have went in this direction, and like, you were right, we should have went this way. This was not the right thing to do. Sometimes they admit it, sometimes no. So, but there's all different people in the world. Have you ever had to deliver bad news to a client and say, I don't think this is a good fit, I'm gonna have to not work with you. I've never fired a client. I always try to get along with most personalities. So I've tried my best. I mean, there have been some where I guess I just kind of quietly, it was like, you know, this is not working out. So I just walked away from it. But I really try to just see everything through, even if it's not easy. And especially during COVID and stuff like that with delays and things coming in damaged and taking just a long time to get things done. It was hard for people because they wanted things right away that instant gratification, and it doesn't always happen that way. Especially during that period of time. It was tough, so. So, picking something and going, like, out and getting, like, crazy colors. So, example, example for me. I'm like, yes, I love colors, let's go crazy with it. Right. But, uh, little guy in the back of my head is like, maybe you should keep it, like, professional. Uh huh. Not crazy, cause some people are gonna be, like, Just a little tiny guy in my head. Just a little tiny guy. Yeah. So, but people do get that. Yeah. Right? They do get that scared feeling like, am I doing the right thing? Or, oh my gosh, this color is crazy. People are always scared because there's so many colors too. But I do feel once we do achieve that right color, it just completely transforms the space. And, I mean, people have cried, have hugged me, they just get so excited. Even when I did a restaurant in, uh, Roger's Family Restaurant. And, most of the colors, we had blues and grays and stuff like that. But, the vintage cafe side, I fought for that red wall. Cause I said, you guys have to have this pop of red, because it's just gonna make everything look so great. Cause there was an existing, really cool, old, white cooler. Where's that? Uh, Rogers Family Restaurant is in Somerset. Somerset, okay. Yes. After we did that red, it was just the owners, my clients, were just so overjoyed. And they were nervous. She was nervous. But it just brought it all together, and it was like that pow. You need it sometimes. That's awesome. So, yeah. Do you feel like sometimes they need to actually wait until the furniture is in? If it's a room that they change the color, like, just wait until the furniture is in, and it's all gonna make sense. Sometimes, I do have clients that have to wait for, say, a kitchen reno, right? For everything to be all in, and then the wall color goes up, so. Cause I can see it all come together, they just can't sometimes. So, and sometimes you're trying to match existing things in the house too, so, which can be a challenge. Yeah. That's great. Now, let's talk about something that's for an investor who wants to take this crappy house and make it very nice and appealing, aside from the color. Yeah. Like, what other things can you do? Have you worked on flips? I've done, yeah, it was a huge flip 5,000 square feet. Wow. Yeah, three floors. Wow, how many bedrooms? With a limited budget. With a limited budget. A limited budget, um, but we made it work. But yeah, so I've done huge flips, small flips, and they usually sell pretty quickly, too. My thing is with investors or contractors that want to flip houses, spend a little more money and do it right, because when that person goes to buy that house, you don't want them to have to go and then rip everything out and redo it. You want to be able to move into it and not worry, so. So, there's a times I mean, I've seen a lot of flips, normal homes and flips, and I'm sure you have too. Yes. There are a lot of crappy jobs out there. And it might not affect, like, a lot of buyers, but some buyers who buy it and they're like, after living there for a week, they're like, Well, why is this here? This doesn't make sense. Why is this here? Or this cabinet, it's like, Right. That's so frustrating. So Absolutely. Working with you, like you I can run the whole entire project for a contractor or investor, so I can get all the products and materials there. I can get the subcontractors, so I can get it put together and, and make it female friendly too. That's the thing. I feel like a lot of these flips that are done are so male centered and they really don't appeal to women at all. So because these dark colors and everything is the same and it's all white and gray There's just so much more even you don't have to do bold colors or anything. You could do soft tone They make a decision. Yeah, absolutely. You know women are guys have no clue about the color. They're like, yeah, whatever I don't even care. I just want to live in a house. That's right. They want to have a nice They want to have the man cave. They want to be downstairs. They don't have to deal with it Women want they want a beautiful kitchen too. I mean that is huge. Okay, wait about that Yeah, so the guy is like, all right, you can have the whole house Yeah, I just want the small closet. That's right. That I can call my man cave. Yes. Paint it, whatever. Like, right. They don't care Yeah, I'll be in there. Yeah. Yeah, but you can have the whole house. You could decorate everything. That's right As long as I have my little closet, man cave closet, then I'm happy. Oh, yeah And that's the thing with the kitchens and the bathrooms again Think about the materials that you're putting in there when you're flipping this house. That's important, too Women don't want these dark gray, dark browns Level one granite in their kitchen. They want light. They want happy. So yeah, I just saw one last week here. Oh my gosh I'm thinking like so it's like big tiles. Is that large format tile? Large format tile. Yep. That they had a lot of. Okay. They used it for the kitchen. Okay. Counter. Oh Yeah, it gets better. And then the bathroom. No. They, I guess, needed a little piece where the shower, uh, The niche? Or where the shower, the valves were? The shower, the shower valve. Ooh. And they plopped it right there, perfectly in the middle. Uh huh. And I'm like, oh my gosh, whoever gets this, they're gonna be like Rip that out. Yeah. No, it's, I mean, there's no reason you don't have to put the exact same tile in every single space in the house. And you want to think about the right size tile too when you're doing kitchen backslash and stuff like that. You don't want this big, chunky tile back there. So, it just and it overpowers everything. It was scary. That sounds scary. So if, because you said something earlier that's like, wow, this is such a relief. Like if I'm doing a flip, you said that you'll not only pick the colors, pick the tile, pick the flooring. You'll also manage the contract? I'll manage, yeah, I'll manage the, yeah, so you don't have to deal with that, so. So, if I kick them in the butt. And we're going to talk about that in a second. I'm gonna, so I get a flip, I buy it, hire you, and I tiptoe away. Yeah. And I get the next one. That's right. Get out of here. And it sells within less than a week, so. Wow. Yeah, I know. See, it's a win win. So, as far as like a flip business partner, you are the person. Yes, because literally I could just buy something. Yep, and be like Michelle. Can you help? Yes, and then I go by the next one Yeah, a lot of my clients. I've done that with a lot of clients. Awesome Oh, no, it's always a good and there was someone making a nice investment too. Yeah and making more money than what they could do So And the flipper doesn't have to worry about the size of the tile, putting the tile one piece, one big piece in the shower, and wow. No, there's ways to make flips look pretty. They don't have to just like, you know, walk in, all right, yep, someone flipped this house. So, and then you can just, you can tell, you just tell by the vinyl plank they put in, by the tile they put in, the light fixtures. You can do some really cool light fixtures also, which makes a big difference. Would you say people that, you know, Flip properties don't micromanage you and just give you the microphone? Most of them do, but they sometimes like to have a little say too. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean most of the time I kind of do my thing. Yeah, yeah, you're doing everything It's just like I'm gonna make sure it coordinates because a lot of contractors will just choose stuff Oh, I saw this at Home Depot and this was on clearance. What do you think? Oh, let me slap this up on the shower and this is like creamy colored white But oh then this tile was cheaper and then so then that's like white and gray and then nothing nothing matches And it's not fair to the people buying the house Cause now they have to either live with it, or rip it out. But they can say, Michelle, this is palette of tile fell off the truck. Can we use it somewhere? Then we figure it out. It could be that bathroom that's, you know, not the main bathroom, let's say. Okay. Yeah, definitely. And there's ways to repurpose. Like at a home I did in Cranston, it was a big flip. I think it was 4, 000 square feet, I believe. There were existing shutters and stuff like that. And so we sprayed the shutters. We did a different color. We left the same front door and painted that. Gave the outside of the house a new fresh coat of paint. I mean the inside mostly. It got gutted. So, 'cause there were a lot of animals living in there. Oh, oh yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Oh yeah, . It was an interesting blow. So you tell 'em to leave or how did the, how's that work? Some of them were alive, some of them weren't living, so, oh goodness. Yeah. So that's what makes it a flip. Have you ever gotten pissed off through some of the down, like to show your anger at a contract? I have my amazing crew that I work with, my contractor's, like my brother. That's how close we are. Yeah. And my other contractor too. He is, we're very close. I have gone head to head with other contractors, and I have no problem standing up for my clients. Uh huh. I've had them in my face before. Yeah. And I just, I have no problem standing up. Because in this business, you have to have a thick skin, so. But I don't lose my temper with clients or anything like that, because that gets you nowhere. Most contractors are male. Yes. And they do their things, they're male, and now all of a sudden there's a woman coming in telling them what to do. They don't like that. things. How do you work with that? And has that been a challenge? It has been a challenge when I'm not working with the people I usually work with. I've tried to, you know, I have to win them over a little bit and show them that I'm not just there to pick out colors, that I do know a lot of what's going on with the project and stuff like that, whether it's electricians, whether it's, you know, Let's say, okay, they like to just put lights wherever sometimes and it looks like a runway and that's so important to have everything laid out correctly so your light is evenly spread out and sometimes they just don't wanna, they'll just throw all the lights up and that's it. Same thing with tile work, you know, that's important, making sure that tile's installed correctly and isn't all bumpy and popping out, let's say, but it's not easy. So, because some contractors are kind of, a little old school sometimes. They don't, you know, I've done kitchen layouts before and kind of got into it with the contract a little bit, because I said, why do you want to put a refrigerator against the wall? Now you're opening a door against the wall. Like, I would do it like this. And, it's hard sometimes. Yeah. Wow. Do you think it's sexism, or do you think it's them assuming the person, whether it's male or female, doesn't have the experience. I really think that, I don't know if people really understand what an interior designer does. A lot of people think that, oh, I can decorate and, you know, and I pick colors and that's it. And they don't, I don't know if people realize that this is an actual profession. A living, I make a living doing it. I've done it for 20 years and I'm not just some space shot. I know what I'm talking about and it is hard. I mean, it could be a little sexism too. I was told. When I was first starting out, because I started residential and then I definitely wanted to be in commercial, I knew that. So I was leaning towards restaurants, and I had a painter tell me that I was too nice and that I belonged with the stay at home moms. Wow. I should work with them in the residential world. I can't handle the commercial world. Oh, man. And I looked at him and I said, Uh, I don't think so. Wow. Yeah, so it is tough. It took a long time even being part of the Cranston Chamber of Commerce, being taken seriously as a female, as a designer, that I knew what I was talking about. So because they would say, Oh, you pick colors. That's it. So yeah, that's, I'm sorry. Yeah, deal with that. It's tough. It's a male dominated world of the construction industry and stuff like that. So yeah, so it is hard. Amy, the plumber, do they listen to her? I don't know. Is she a plumber? Or is it just the brand? I'm not sure. I don't know any female plumbers. I've seen that, like the Annie Plummer. I wonder if there is a Annie. Maybe she's tough. Yeah, they don't mess around. She can kick butt. So yeah, that's crazy. Can you take me through your process? Like when you go into a flip, like what do you do? So, I mean the last flip, I haven't done a flip in a little bit, but the last flip I did was probably a couple years ago. I met my client over there and we did a walkthrough and we had to come up with a budget of what I could do for new cabinets, new countertops. new lighting, You know, all the paint, what that's going to cost, and you know, budget all that out. And then get all the people there that can get the work done, too, that will fall into that budget. So sometimes I have to beg a little bit. But going through all that, getting everything ordered, figuring it out, and then you just start, that's it. You start demoing and she rocking and painting and doing whatever. Get it going because there's a short amount of time to flip it. That's the thing. You know, I want to say that it was October. I think I had started a flip in October. I had it listed by the second week of November. So it was quick. Wow. That is quick. What percentage of projects end up completing on time? We have a good system down now, so it really depends on the client. So, I have some projects that we have everything picked out, ordered, ready to go, on site. And I want to say it takes us about, maybe like, five, six weeks to get a kitchen done. If everything is on site and ordered. I have projects I've been working on since last July that still aren't done, so it depends. Waiting for things and Decisions. Decisions, oh. Yeah, but most I'm going to say, we can get a kitchen done quicker than a bathroom, because the bathroom's a little more, and there's all the plumbing and stuff like that, so as long as the plumber shows up. Yeah, yeah, a contractor is just so overwhelmed and can't keep track of what the heck is going on And residential sometimes goes quicker than say a restaurant. Like some restaurants I work on are brand new. So the space is completely shut down and you can do whatever you want. But a lot of restaurants I work on are working restaurants that there is no shutting it down. And so you have to try to, whenever you have the time to get it done, you work on it and try to get it done. So it's a process. I would say that just looking at a house, like a listing, go in and try to price it out. I could tell how fast it's going to sell just by how good of a job. The, uh, Flipper did. Yeah. When I say Flipper, it's like, I always think of Flipper. You know Flipper? Oh, the dolphin? Dolphin, yeah. A little bit. And what's another word, like, word for Flipper? It's called flip? Probably Flipper, right? Flippo? I don't know. My boyfriend makes me watch those zombie Flippers. I think it's all Flippers, right? Have you watched Zombie Houses? Wait, they're zombie flippers? No, I thought it was zombies, right? Like, Walking Dead, because that would be very cool. But no, they call it a zombie house and it happens in Florida, I think, and it's just these horrible, beat up, run down houses that nobody wants. And they go in there and they flip it. Oh, gosh. Alright, I thought they were like zombie dolphins. Oh, zombie dolphins. Going around like that's what I thought you were saying. That could be a whole nother, my daughter could do a character. She could, she could draw something up. Yeah, with a new character. So yeah, but it's scary to imagine. Okay, sorry we went off track. Yeah, way off track. So flippers. Mm hmm. Some of them are investors and some of them are Contractors. Actual contractors. Investors are more like, yeah, just do what you want. Yeah, and they don't even, they don't touch it. Contractors are more likely to be like, Yeah, I don't think that would be a good decision. I think we should do Right, right. Yeah. What I don't understand is, I have gone to some open houses and these houses that are flipped, let's say, get listed. I just don't understand why the kitchens are so tiny and the islands are on top of the appliances. So, it doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, all these little things that are I've seen like railings on the deck, just like not falling apart, screwed in. Basements, I looked it up, so this was a flip house and I went into the, it was like a hobbit basement, whatever. It was tiny. I could smell the mold right away. And I told the realtor, I said, I smell black mold. I can't believe you would even list this house. You can smell mold, which is not safe. So surprises me. So going into a listing, I could tell, you know, if they did a good job, how fast it's going to sell. And that's important. Yeah, absolutely. That's what the investor wants. They want to sell it quick and for the most. And go to the next one. Yeah. Yeah. So what are you seeing out there when you see the flips and stuff like that? So many weird things, oddly. Kitchens, mostly. Kitchens that are counters are weird or the layout of the kitchen is in a weird spot. Like why'd they put the sink here if they had this whole kitchen area to mess around with? And that's what drives me nuts. And the basement's like open. Like why would you put Right, and sometimes if a flipper or investor worked with a designer, you wouldn't have to worry about those things, because it would be laid out the right way. The most functional way too, that's the thing. So, cause sometimes it's not something that they, it's just rip it out, get it done, move on to the next. But you should think about bathrooms too. Lay it out correct. Why would you want two separate vanities when you could have one nice big one with double bowls and stuff like that with a nice big walk in shower? Yeah. So those are things I don't think they think about. And I've seen a lot of your work. It's amazing. Thank you. Yeah, top notch, like super classy, luxury. Thank you. You know, those are the homes that sell fast and for a lot. Oh, no, absolutely. Oh, and then what I've noticed also in the real estate world, staging, stuff like that. Why people have so many personal items everywhere, in their rooms, in the house, when it's getting photographed, I just don't understand it. Even not photographing, even walking around an open house and like, oh I know that guy. I went through a house, I think the guy was a hunter or something, and I told him, I said, look, I said, you want to sell this. You gotta get rid of the guns, you gotta get them out of the way. And maybe the, the animal heads too, off the wall. Just saying. Checkbook, put it away. Yeah, oh my gosh. We have a list, like, make sure these things are hidden. Right. Or locked up, please. Yeah. And steam the comforters when you're taking pictures. It drives me nuts. These little things I just, I see and I'm like, Hi! Makes a big difference. Absolutely, yeah. You know. Did I miss anything as far as uh, flipping? I think I asked all the interesting questions. I That's it? Yeah, I'm trying to think. The biggest thing is, like I said, use good quality materials. You don't have to spend millions of dollars, but if you're listing a house for 500, 000, 600, 000, 700, 000 dollars, Put the money into it, because you're making a nice profit. Yeah, and someone will come along like they don't care about the appraisal. They're gonna pay more just because everything in there is exactly, absolutely what they, and good quality paint too, goes a long way. No Home Depot, Lowe's paint. Any nightmare situation where You've built something and then all of a sudden there was an earthquake that came and destroyed everything. One flip I worked on, we had a lot of issues with water. Water just kept coming in. Oh my gosh, what kind of water? Like from the rain or from pipe From outside and from so it was a water heater that went. And we just had brand new carpeting put in the basement. Water everywhere. So I learned how to rent one of those big things from Home Depot. Those big fan things, whatever. Yeah. I've never like rented before. To save the day, save the day and so, you never know, that's the thing. But, we had a lot of problems, I mean, just Even the outside thicket or something like we had just painted and vinyl planked one of the spaces in the house and water was just pouring It was pouring right into still everything. Yeah, it's such a nightmare. It's a huge nightmare and it does so much damage Oh, yeah money down the drain. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Awesome, Michelle. Thank you very much for stopping by. Thanks Kamil, this was great. And then we point at the camera. Oh, okay. Point. Alright, thank you.